On Sat, Sep 15, 2018 at 08:44:10AM +0200, Chris Travers wrote: > The protection there is a culturally diverse code of conduct committee who can > then understand the relationship between politics and culture. And just to > note, you can't solve problems of abuse by adopting mechanistically applied > rules. > > Also a lot of the major commercial players have large teams in areas where > there is a legal right to not face discrimination on the basis of political > opinion. So I don't see merely expressing an unpopular political opinion as > something the code of conduct committee could ever find actionable, nor do I > think political donations or membership in political or religious organizations > etc would be easy to make actionable. Well, we could all express our unpopular opinions on this channel and give it a try. ;-) I think some have already, and nothing has happened to them. With a CoC, I assume that will remain true. > But I understand the sense of insecurity. Had I not spent time working in Asia > and Europe, my concerns would be far more along these lines. As it is, I don't > think the code of conduct committee will allow themselves to be used to cause > continental splits in the community or to internationalize the politics of the > US. Agreed, and that is by design. If anything, the CoC team plus the core team have even more diversity than the core team alone. > I think the bigger issue is that our community *will* take flak and possibly be > harmed if there is an expectation set that picking fights in this way over > political opinions is accepted. Because while I don't see the current > community taking action on the basis of political views, I do see a problem > more generally with how these fights get picked and would prefer to see some > softening of language to protect the community in that case. But again, I am > probably being paranoid. Well, before the CoC, anything could have happened since there were no rules at all about how such problems were handled, or not handled. There is a risk that if we adopt a CoC, and nothing happens, and the committee does nothing, that they will feel like a failure, and get involved when it was best they did nothing. I think the CoC tries to address that, but nothing is perfect. -- Bruce Momjian <bruce@xxxxxxxxxx> http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com + As you are, so once was I. As I am, so you will be. + + Ancient Roman grave inscription +
