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On 05/28/2012 08:46 AM, Stevo Slavić wrote:
Hello Adrian,

Thanks for replying!

I guess in this case, referential action, from your quote, on deleting
As is check that there are no Bs referencing to-be-deleted A row. But
since all Bs are deleted (not committed yet though) prior to deleting
As, I don't understand why is this check taking that long time. Doesn't
this transaction, that both deleting Bs and As belong to, have enough
"knowledge" if not to skip this check then to at least have it executed
faster? It seems, in case without index, that postgres is executing this
referential integrity check sequentially over B data as if they were not
deleted, it just skips raising error because it ultimately after long
time finds B records are about to be deleted. It would be faster if
postgres had a structure/info on transaction level which would allow it
to execute following (sequential) queries/checks only over rows which
haven't been marked for deletion - I guess that would add complexity.
With index I guess postgres does same logic just uses index to lookup Bs
referencing to-be-deleted A much faster, and then determines Bs have
been marked for deletion and doesn't raise error. I wonder how other
RDBMS behave in this case.

FKs, as I understand it, are basically system triggers. The exact method by which they work and the effect of indexes on that are beyond me at this point. Others may have more insight.


Anyway, regarding your second question, cascade delete hasn't been
applied or tried yet. Case I've initially explained is one subcase of
actual case that needs to be supported which is to sync As with an
external source, which unfortunatelly doesn't provide info whether Bs
have been changed or not for given A. So, there are two subcases, one
where almost all data is dropped (As and Bs) and replaced with new,
while in other subcase just some As data gets added while some As are
deleted. In either case, we need to drop all Bs and add them because of
lack of information of changes in Bs. Will check and see how that
performs for both scenarios.

Well the issue seems to be with what you do to A not B. The FK is on B but the reference is to A and when you do an action on A in it needs to verify the state of the referring rows in B. By explicitly specifying a course of action (ON DELETE CASCADE) you streamline the process in the first case. In the second case it not as big an issue because you are only changing a small subset of A.


Kind regards,
Stevo.




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