My preference would be towards identifying bad data as soon as possible and thus provide the user a better (more interactive) experience. For me this means more clevers on the client - ie some JavaScript to check dates, formats, etc. This is relatively simple to implement as a function invoked by the "SEND" or "OK" button and which eventually does a form.submit() if everything is okay. If there is a problem somewhere, you can alert the user to the problem, set the form focus to the offending input value and then allow the user to re-enter data. Even better would be to call validation after each field has been changed so the user doesn't have to fill in the entire form before his or her errors are identified. The other idea is to create some PostgreSQL-stored metadata with the form so that the rules for validation can be read from the database. This would allow PHP to read the validation rules for an input field (eg date must be in the future) and validate the field generically. It would also allow the PHP creating the input form in the first place to provide extra information in the form so that the pre-submit JavaScript function could also be generic - the same validation script would then read the validation rules - perhaps from hidden input fields and validate the corresponding input value. The metadata could include a PROMPT message that tells the user what is needed in a particular field. Hope this helps Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Glaesemann" <grzm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <pgsql-php@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, 05 November, 2003 3:50 AM Subject: [PHP] Reducing duplicated business rules Hi all I've been coding in PHP and PostgreSQL for a while now—nothing complicated but what I've put together has gotten the job done. I haven't employed templating yet, but have managed to separate a good deal of the application logic from the presentation by calling functions, and am happily building libraries of functions I commonly use. One thing I'm particularly pleased about is that I've reached a point where I can look back at the first implementations and say to myself that I know I can code and refactor it better now. Nice to be able to see improvement. One area I'd definitely like to improve is filtering form data. I don't mean preventing SQL injection or other security issues—those are definitely important and something I'm working on as well—but rather type and constraint checking before inserting or updating data into the database. I've been including as much business logic as I can into the database to maintain data integrity (regardless of what I might foolishly allow a user to do via one of the scripts I write :) ), but I find myself duplicating these same checks in my code so I can (a) prevent getting errors from the database when inserting/updating and (b) give feedback to the user, letting them know what it is I'd like them to correct. A simple example is when I'd like to make sure a given date is before or after another. For example, an examination date must follow a registration date. This is enforced by the database (check registration_date < examination_date) but I will do a similar check in the PHP code as well, providing feedback to the user that the examination date must be after the registration date. Of course PostgreSQL will throw back an error if I tried to insert or update data that will make the check constraint untrue, which is as it should be. Is there any way to use this feedback from Postgres instead of running my own checks in PHP, and still provide useful feedback to the user (rather than the naked PostgreSQL error code)? Along similar lines, often I have a requirement in another table, for example the start and end dates of a registration period. Of course registration dates should fall between these two. As far as I can tell, this kind of constraint isn't possible in PostgreSQL via CHECK constraints. (I'm guessing it's possible via before triggers, but I haven't looked at triggers yet. I'm still quite wet behind the ears!) In this case I grab the start and end dates in a select, and use them as bounds to check the submitted registration date in the PHP code. Are there other ways to handle these situations that I'm missing? Any opinions, suggestions, helpful advice, or pointers in the direction of further knowledge gratefully accepted. Regards, Michael grzm myrealbox com ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- TIP 8: explain analyze is your friend