I'm using pam_passwdqc to check the stength of passwords. Do I still need pam_cracklib? Also, does anyone know how to force a user to change his password the first time he logs in and maintain password aging? OS: Linux 6.2 and Linux 7 pam 0.75 ------------------------------------------------------ William "Bill" Nolf Bill.Nolf@itt.com ITT Industries - Advanced Engineering & Sciences 1761 Business Center Dr. Reston, VA 20190 USA Phone: 703-438-3274 Fax: 703-438-8112