Hello list. . . I'm trying to set up pam so it will allows ordinary users to start kppp. I believe I have the permissions on /sbin/kppp set up properly, but the first time I start pam in a particular X session I have to start it out of an xterm as root. After that I can start if from the menu (which goes through consolehelper and userhelper--I changed the user in /etc/security/console.apps/kpp to <user>), but I do get a prompt fer the user's password. In fact I get that prompt the first time I try to start kpp from the menu in an X session, but it doesn't work unless I have previously started the thing from a root xterm. Here is my /etc/pam.d/kppp file: #%PAM-1.0 auth sufficient /lib/security/pam_rootok.so auth required /lib/security/pam_pwdb.so session optional /lib/security/pam_permit.so account required /lib/security/pam_permit.so I had been using /lib/security/xauth.so for the optional session check, but changed it tonight to see what effect that would have. What I really want is for users to be able to just click on kppp from the kde or gnome menus and start the %$^$% thing! After all I don't want to give guest users root access! Could I be missing some other permissions somewhere? Any suggestions? Thanks! Bill