One more thing about limits, if kernel allows as to limit root, why not add this functionality to pam_limits? I see that uid 0 is a special case there, but should it be? Jan -- Jan Rękorajski | ALL SUSPECTS ARE GUILTY. PERIOD! baggins<at>mimuw.edu.pl | OTHERWISE THEY WOULDN'T BE SUSPECTS, WOULD THEY? BOFH, type MANIAC | -- TROOPS by Kevin Rubio