[ While I could ask off-list, or RTFS, someone else might have the same question later, so might as well ask on-list. ] Postfix added support for ECDHE ciphers long ago, back when OpenSSL 1.0.0 was shiny and new, and the server-side ECDHE support was enabled by specifying a single preferred "temp" ECDH curve. At the time we allowed users to configure: smtpd_tls_eecdh_grade = none | strong | ultra which was later expanded to: smtpd_tls_eecdh_grade = none | strong | ultra | auto as documented at: http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#smtpd_tls_eecdh_grade http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#tls_eecdh_strong_curve http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#tls_eecdh_ultra_curve http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#tls_eecdh_auto_curves The "none" setting is documented to disable ECDHE, and did that by simply doing nothing, that is by not setting a specific ECDH temp curve and also not calling SSL_CTX_set_ecdh_auto(). But doing nothing no longer has the same effect in OpenSSL 1.1.0 and later, where ECDHE curve negotiation is always on, and SSL_CTX_set_ecdh_auto() is basically a NOOP (that returns "failure" if the requested behaviour is ECDHE "off"). I thought I might get the same effect by configuring an empty curve list, but OpenSSL 1.1.x, does not accept an empty list, and in any case that might also affect DHE support, since IIRC there's now a unified list of curves and FFDHE groups, and may not be an interface for configuring just the curves? Is there still a way to support the "none" setting other than to modify the cipherlist (ciphers = "!kECDHE:...")? The Postfix code that deals with DH settings is separate from the code that deals with ciphers, and I'd prefer to get these mixed up. I should say that I understand that turning off ECDHE is increasingly unwise, interoperability can and will suffer. So I may well decide to drop support for "none" and pretend the user meant "auto", but I'd like to understand the available options first. -- Viktor. -- openssl-users mailing list To unsubscribe: https://mta.openssl.org/mailman/listinfo/openssl-users