If any of you use group security (filtering out groups so specific people cannot see them) then this applies to you. group.c when denying a user access uses: emitrn (NNTP_ACCESS); in two places. This has the effect of returning a '502 Permission denied' *fatal* error. More correctly this should be: emitrn (NNTP_NOSUCHGROUP); which will return a "411 No such group." error. tin users will find this fix particularly useful it quits on startup just because a banned group is in its .newsrc. This may also apply to other 'correctly' written newsreaders. The fix is easily made as group.c only has two refs to NNTP_ACCESS. Paul 'ihave winge-er' Gregg. PS: thanks to Hugo.Embrechts@kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be for his ihave patch which works well. -- The Internet Business Ltd, Holywood House, Innis Court, Holywood, BT18 9HF pgregg@tibus.net http://www.tibus.net/ Phone: +44 (0)1232-424190 Fax: +44 (0)1232-424709 Eight out of every five people are math illiterates.