The ISCS open source network security management project (http://iscs.sourceforge.net) could use some volunteer assistance from someone who can adapt bash scripts to tcl for the creation of iptables configuration files and implementing dynamic iptables changes on production devices. If you are interested and able to assist, please contact me using the details in my signature below. For more details, please continue reading. We have added support for the Secure Computing / CyberGuard / SnapGear SG series of devices so that they can be managed using ISCS with no change to firmware. The SG580 devices are working fine in production but the SG570 devices use sash instead of bash. We can get around the limitations of bash by using the tcl interpreter. However, we have no one on the team with tcl experience. ISCS could be described as an open source alternative to very expensive products for managing large, enterprise network security deployments such as Solsoft or Provider1. Actually, it does much more and has no commercial equivalent. It has allowed us to implement complex, perimeter style security within the perimeter to affordably create truly segmented and multi-layered networks with a minimum of labor. To give an idea of what it does, a recent production deployment of internal network security for a global manufacturer would have required well in excess of 100,000 iptables rules. ISCS reduced that rule set to roughly 13,000 rules, only requires traversal of a small subset of those rules for any new packet, generated those rules in a couple of hours and distributed them to all devices automatically at the click of a button within a couple of minutes. ipset could probably reduce the rule set tenfold again. Any ipset experts out there interested in helping? In comparison, if one had to write 13,000 rules at 20 seconds per rule, that would be 72 hours -- at one minute per rule, 217 hours. 150,000 rules would take 833 hours at 20 seconds and 2,500 hours at one minute per rule. All this with a dramatic reduction in exposure to human error (one can imagine the danger of a typo or out of order rule in 150,000 line rule set). That's just the beginning. If you are interested and can help, we would greatly appreciate your assistance. Thanks - John -- John A. Sullivan III Open Source Development Corporation +1 207-985-7880 jsullivan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Financially sustainable open source development http://www.opensourcedevel.com