On 12 Jan 2005 at 12:30, Jason wrote: > keep in mind that the spirit of this community is based upon > volunteer effort and everyone pitching in however they can to > help better the community as a whole. Absolutely, and very appreciated. But I did not read the previous posts as a demand, but more of frustration. There are many of us who are not hackers, and for whom netfilter is only a small part of the job. It can be frustrating to get a hundred reasons why you should not be doing something that, for whatever reason, you need to do anyway. And, yes, it can be also be frustrating to answer the same question over and over and over; but maybe that points to a different issue in that the tutorials or documentation needs to be modified. Searching the archives and getting 0 or 2000 hits is not helpful. ..don support at microtechniques.com White Plains, NY