I use -I INPUT ESTABLISHED,RELATED. I can ping outbound just fine, ESTABLISHED,RELATED keeps track of the ICMPs. Here: $ ping yahoo.com PING yahoo.com (216.109.127.28) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from w1.rc.dcn.yahoo.com (216.109.127.28): icmp_seq=1 ttl=54 time=114 ms --- yahoo.com ping statistics --- 1 packets transmitted, 1 received, 0% packet loss, time 0ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 114.523/114.523/114.523/0.000 ms $ I do not allow any ICMP explicitly and I have never had a problem using NAT or similar. I do not know where you are getting your info from, but it is clearly incorrect. -----Original Message----- From: Jozsef Kadlecsik [mailto:kadlec@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 11:19 AM To: Piszcz, Justin Michael Cc: netfilter Subject: RE: traceroute On Wed, 30 Jun 2004, Piszcz, Justin Michael wrote: > ICMP is "allowed" when you -I INPUT ESTABLISHED,RELATED. That's false. > You do not have to allow it explicitly (ie: allow icmp so other machines > can ping your machine). That's false, again. Read the documentation and do not spread false info. Best regards, Jozsef - E-mail : kadlec@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, kadlec@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx PGP key : http://www.kfki.hu/~kadlec/pgp_public_key.txt Address : KFKI Research Institute for Particle and Nuclear Physics H-1525 Budapest 114, POB. 49, Hungary