..in http://shorewall.net/VPN.htm below the figure, Tom says: "If PPTP is being used, there are no firewall requirements beyond the default loc->net ACCEPT policy. There is one restriction however: Only one local system at a time can be connected to a single remote gateway unless you patch your kernel from the 'Patch-o-matic' patches available at http://www.netfilter.org. " ..my scenario is use "the left half" of http://www.shorewall.net/images/TwoNets1.png "to bypass _dumb_ and cheap 802.11b and router boxes limited to 256 simultaneous tcp/ip connections, by making my isp client's 802.11x clients connect thru vpn or pptp etc tunnels to the box I set up, "a vpn gateway where each tunnel receives a random public IP from the public IP pool and use that to access internet thru the vpn gateway". ..the modification to "the left half of http://www.shorewall.net/images/TwoNets1.png ", "is essentially 192.168.0.0/16", and "strip off all fat". (I'll possibly also do bandwidth trottling in this box, not essential, we can carry on doing that in our throttle box.) ..traffic, initially "they haul in tons of CD and games" etc, later, this settles to an average about 50kbps for each 802.11 client, the weak spot is shooting yourself down on exceeding our radio nodes 256 connections, timing those out and autoresetting the gear, which is why we will pack all traffic into vpn-like tunnels. ..pptp is suggested as some of clients still runs wintendo95 and becomes the low end securitywise, as pptp is free (zero cost) for all os'es and because my isp client sez "it's their ass, not mine, until they start paying me to look after their butts". ;-) ..bottlenecks to look out for? I can tunnel traffic to and from say 600 people at 400kbps each thru one single Duron 1GHz box with 2 ea 100Mbps wires? -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case.