On Sunday 27 October 2002 04:23 pm, Oskar Andreasson wrote: > On Sun, 27 Oct 2002, Joel Newkirk wrote: > > On Sunday 27 October 2002 01:50 pm, Oskar Andreasson wrote: > > In my mind, I always think of the local machine (local processes) as > > being 'inside' the firewall, with the individual interfaces being > > separated by it, or the LAN being 'behind' it. I can't think of a > > useful, non-degenerate example where this isn't a valid perspective, = so > > I've held to it so far. > > Try a small backbone or so:). > =2E.. :^) > Sounds as a nice idea. I could use one myself once in a while (lousy > memory). I would really like seeing the mangle/nat/filter stuff added t= o > FORWARD/INPUT/OUTPUT though, and it would be even better:) YWIMC. (Anyone who tried to grab the pic this evening but couldn't I=20 apologize - I broke down and rebooted to run Photoshop for a few minutes = for=20 curved text entry) try http://newkirk.no-ip.org:83/Traversal-full.png (i= t's=20 'full' sized at 2048x1600 and 'full' detail with all built-in chains list= ed) =20 I'm probably going to give it a few days, then if I'm satisfied I'll rebu= ild=20 it with cleaner text and spacing, and a few flow arrows. BTW, I'm not happy already with one aspect, but can't see a resolution: = I=20 look at this and picture a packet at 'in', then mangle-pre nat-pre and=20 routing. If it's forwarded then we have a quantum situation where it cou= ld=20 'be' in either of the forward steps (semi-ovals?) and then to routing aga= in=20 BEFORE it is really decided which 'out' it is heading for. Now I know ho= w it=20 really works, but when I look at this I expect the forwarding destination= to=20 already be determined before it hits Mangle Forward, just based on the=20 diagram construction, and it actually isn't. Oh, well. Unless someone c= an=20 suggest an alternative, I'll likely leave it as is. (Yes Oscar, I realize= d=20 that splitting it to any half would eliminate this artifact... Damn... :^= ) j