This is one thing I really like about my Zaurus 5500. Granted it's dated now, but nice little reset button if need be. I've had similar issues with my 770. Sudo works well. >IMO, the N800 _REALLY_ needs: 1) a hardware reset button, probably next to the battery (so, it's almost as desperate a situation as pulling the battery, but you don't have to actually pull the battery). Obviously this can't/wont be done for the N800, but maybe for the WiMax version, and/or the next generation IT. 2) a means of actually invoking the unix "reboot" command without having to break into root. I can probably make "reboot" be setuid root, and add it to the status bar graph menu ... but I think that'd be a little too easy. Maybe something you can invoke from the control panel application menu: "hard reboot now". On 10/11/07, maemo-users-request at maemo.org <maemo-users-request at maemo.org> wrote: > Send maemo-users mailing list submissions to > maemo-users at maemo.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > maemo-users-request at maemo.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > maemo-users-owner at maemo.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of maemo-users digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: 3 months of use: some comments about the N800 (John Rudd) > 2. Re: 3 months of use: some comments about the N800 (Kemal Hadimli) > 3. "hidden features" Re: 3 months... (Daniel M German) > 4. Re: 3 months of use: some comments about the N800 > (Steve Yelvington) > 5. Re: 3 months of use: some comments about the N800 > (Jonathan Greene) > 6. Re: "hidden features" Re: 3 months... (Fr?d?ric Crozat) > 7. Re: 3 months of use: some comments about the N800 > (Fr?d?ric Crozat) > 8. Re: "hidden features" Re: 3 months... (Quim Gil) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 08:36:24 -0700 > From: John Rudd <john at rudd.cc> > Subject: Re: 3 months of use: some comments about the N800 > To: Kemal Hadimli <disqkk at gmail.com> > Cc: maemo-users at maemo.org > Message-ID: <470E42F8.7040407 at rudd.cc> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Kemal Hadimli wrote: > > On 10/11/07, Daniel M German <dmg at uvic.ca> wrote: > >> ** Soft-power off mode. I have enabled it with a long press of the on-button. > >> Unfortunately it does not disable the keys. It would be nice if it > >> did, except for a long-press of the on-botton again. > > > > softpoweroff works better if you assign it to the short press. I use > > it that way and it also locks the keys. I also made it so that the > > long press brings up the power menu. > > > > How do you re-assign the power button settings? > > > And this reminds me of a feature I found severely lacking recently: > > Monday morning I set two alarms on my N800. First time I've done any > alarms. So, one goes off .. and then a few minutes later, my N800 > freezes (the "nokia white screen of death"). I couldn't get it to > respond to anything, not even the power button. I don't know if it was > caused by the alarms, or what ... but that's not my point. In order to > get it to power off, I had to pull the battery. I don't consider that > to be an acceptable action (for one, I had no idea what kinds of power > spikes it might send into the device as I was wiggling the battery out, > since it's not an easy battery to pull). > > When it came back up, it didn't fully reboot. The alarm function wasn't > in the status bar, and it still wasn't responding to the power button. > So, this time I opened up an xterm, ssh'ed into root, and told it to > reboot. When it came back from that, all was fine again. > > > What this leads to is: soft power buttons are nice for some things, but > are absolutely useless in other situations. Sometimes, you need to > force an action when software and interrupts have been corrupted. > > > > IMO, the N800 _REALLY_ needs: > > 1) a hardware reset button, probably next to the battery (so, it's > almost as desperate a situation as pulling the battery, but you don't > have to actually pull the battery). Obviously this can't/wont be done > for the N800, but maybe for the WiMax version, and/or the next > generation IT. > > 2) a means of actually invoking the unix "reboot" command without having > to break into root. I can probably make "reboot" be setuid root, and > add it to the status bar graph menu ... but I think that'd be a little > too easy. Maybe something you can invoke from the control panel > application menu: "hard reboot now". > > > > And, while I'm on the subject of power, I'd also like the battery status > icon to tell me the % of battery charge remaining. Telling me how many > hours are estimated to be left is kinda nice, but I'd _also_ like to > know what % of charge capacity is left. The only time it does anything > like that is if it's plugged in, and full, it says "battery is full". > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 18:53:54 +0300 > From: "Kemal Hadimli" <disqkk at gmail.com> > Subject: Re: 3 months of use: some comments about the N800 > To: maemo-users at maemo.org > Message-ID: > <a88f22e0710110853x7e9effedib04eeada9fc7767e at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On 10/11/07, John Rudd <john at rudd.cc> wrote: > > Kemal Hadimli wrote: > > > softpoweroff works better if you assign it to the short press. I use > > > it that way and it also locks the keys. I also made it so that the > > > long press brings up the power menu. > > > > > > > How do you re-assign the power button settings? > > by editing /etc/mce/mce.ini. of course this is dangerous and breaking > that file would lead to having to reflash your device. you have been > warned. > > here are some pointers: > http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=34283&postcount=20 > http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=65410&postcount=3 > > -- > Kemal > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 07:53:38 -0700 > From: Daniel M German <dmg at uvic.ca> > Subject: "hidden features" Re: 3 months... > To: maemo-users at maemo.org > Message-ID: <m2myupem8d.fsf_-_ at selenium.dmg> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > Thanks Josh, I wished I had known this last week when I had to cut and > paste a computer generated password ;) What I did was to save the > file, then load it inside emacs, then cut-and-paste. What a pain! > > there are a number of "hidden" features of the N800. For example, it > took me some time to discover that the "ok" button (the one in the > middle of the arrow keys) switched to the thumb keyboard. > > Is there a place where all this info is documented? > > --dmg > > > > Josh Smith twisted the bytes to say: > > Josh> A quick reply - the browser does have cut and paste. Just double tap > Josh> the screen where you want to highlight, then drag. You can then hold > Josh> the stylus on the highlight part, which brings up a menu with copy as > Josh> an option, or you can invoke the keyboard, and choose copy in the menu > Josh> from the little arrow on the bottom left side. > > Josh> Hope this was helpful. > > Josh> Cheers, > Josh> josh > > Josh> On 10/11/07, Daniel M German <dmg at uvic.ca> wrote: > >> > >> I am not sure this is the best place to post this information. But > >> hopefully somebody at Nokia will be listening. > >> > >> > >> After almost 3 months of use I have to say the N800 is the best PDA I > >> have ever owned. I just came back from a 10 days trip where it became > >> my main computer, and I am very happy with it. > >> > >> These are some comments that perhaps could be addressed to make the > >> next generation of the N800 an even better product. > >> > >> > >> ** Mute button. When the alarms kick in it takes several seconds to > >> start be able to silence it (or when you remove the > >> headphones). Sometimes that is embarrassing, like when you are in > >> a meeting. > >> > >> ** Separate the <+> <fullscreen> <-> buttons a little > >> > >> ** Make the screen of a harder material (perhaps glass like the iphone). I have light > >> scratches on it already. > >> > >> > >> ** Thumb keyboard. I am not exactly how to reproduce it, but sometimes it inserts repeated > >> copies of sections of the text. > >> > >> ** PDF reader. Allow me to open more than one document at the same time. > >> > >> > >> ** Web browser: it needs cut-and-paste > >> > >> ** Nokia's Image browser "Images". It is a pain to zoom-in and scroll > >> the image. I was trying to view a subway map with it and it was a > >> total pain. When one changes to fullscreen the image gets resized > >> automatically. In my opinion the image browser should behave more > >> like the web browser, allowing to pan around the image with the > >> stylus. > >> > >> ** Soft-power off mode. I have enabled it with a long press of the on-button. > >> Unfortunately it does not disable the keys. It would be nice if it > >> did, except for a long-press of the on-botton again. > >> > >> ** File manager. > >> > >> *** When I move files from one directory to another I'd like the file manager > >> to stay in the source directory, not the destination one. Perhaps an option will > >> do. > >> > >> *** Support for different font sizes. > >> > >> The following are comments regarding third party applications: > >> > >> ** Mapper: One thing missing is the ability to goto to a designated > >> POI. The only current option is to go to the nearest. > >> > >> ** GPE-calendar. > >> > >> *** It messes appointments when one changes timezone. In my opinion appointments > >> should stay at the same time, even if the time zone changes. > >> > >> *** It needs to update the end-time to be at the very least after the start-time. > >> It is cumbersome to have to change the date twice: once for the > >> start time, and once for the end time. > >> > >> *** It badly needs a search function. > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> -- > >> Daniel M. German > >> http://turingmachine.org/ > >> http://silvernegative.com/ > >> dmg (at) uvic (dot) ca > >> replace (at) with @ and (dot) with . > >> _______________________________________________ > >> maemo-users mailing list > >> maemo-users at maemo.org > >> https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users > >> > > > -- > -- > Daniel M. German > http://turingmachine.org/ > http://silvernegative.com/ > dmg (at) uvic (dot) ca > replace (at) with @ and (dot) with . > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 13:03:46 -0400 > From: Steve Yelvington <steve at yelvington.com> > Subject: Re: 3 months of use: some comments about the N800 > To: Eero Tamminen <eero.tamminen at nokia.com>, maemo-users at maemo.org > Message-ID: <470E5772.4030307 at yelvington.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Eero Tamminen wrote: > > There's plastic film on top of the screen. If you haven't removed this, > > the scratches are in this film, not the actual screen surface. > >> > > One of the guys at work has discovered PSP screen protectors can be > adapted to the N800 fairly easily. > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 13:10:51 -0400 > From: "Jonathan Greene" <atmasphere at atmasphere.net> > Subject: Re: 3 months of use: some comments about the N800 > To: "Steve Yelvington" <steve at yelvington.com> > Cc: maemo-users at maemo.org > Message-ID: > <7fc0b28c0710111010g32631423w481bea9b2a3de885 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > In case you guys missed it the user manual is actually on the device... > > http://www.maemoapps.com/2007/03/12/the-basics-the-user-guide/ > > On 10/11/07, Steve Yelvington <steve at yelvington.com> wrote: > > > > Eero Tamminen wrote: > > > There's plastic film on top of the screen. If you haven't removed this, > > > the scratches are in this film, not the actual screen surface. > > >> > > > > One of the guys at work has discovered PSP screen protectors can be > > adapted to the N800 fairly easily. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > maemo-users mailing list > > maemo-users at maemo.org > > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users > > > > > > -- > Jonathan Greene > +1.914.750.8740 > AIM / iChat - atmasphere > gtalk / jabber - jonathangreene at gmail.com > Skype / Gizmo - JonathanGreene > blogs - http://www.atmasphere.net/wp / http://www.maemoapps.com > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-users/attachments/20071011/4b7936ad/attachment-0001.htm > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 22:09:26 +0200 > From: Fr?d?ric Crozat <fred at crozat.net> > Subject: Re: "hidden features" Re: 3 months... > To: maemo-users at maemo.org > Message-ID: <1192133366.5498.0.camel at doubler.crozat.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 > > > Le jeudi 11 octobre 2007 ? 07:53 -0700, Daniel M German a ?crit : > > Thanks Josh, I wished I had known this last week when I had to cut and > > paste a computer generated password ;) What I did was to save the > > file, then load it inside emacs, then cut-and-paste. What a pain! > > > > there are a number of "hidden" features of the N800. For example, it > > took me some time to discover that the "ok" button (the one in the > > middle of the arrow keys) switched to the thumb keyboard. > > > > Is there a place where all this info is documented? > > > The PDF manual shipped in n800 .... > > Or also the online help inside n800 > -- > Fr?d?ric Crozat > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 22:12:03 +0200 > From: Fr?d?ric Crozat <fred at crozat.net> > Subject: Re: 3 months of use: some comments about the N800 > To: maemo-users at maemo.org > Message-ID: <1192133523.5498.5.camel at doubler.crozat.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 > > > Le jeudi 11 octobre 2007 ? 13:03 -0400, Steve Yelvington a ?crit : > > Eero Tamminen wrote: > > > There's plastic film on top of the screen. If you haven't removed this, > > > the scratches are in this film, not the actual screen surface. > > >> > > > > One of the guys at work has discovered PSP screen protectors can be > > adapted to the N800 fairly easily. > > Or you can buy 770 screen protection which are compatible for n800. > > I recommend Brando UltraClear > http://shop.brando.com.hk/prod_detail.php?prod_id=00337&dept_id=&cat_id=018 (also available as AntiGlare : http://shop.brando.com.hk/prod_detail.php?prod_id=01194&dept_id=&cat_id=019 but I prefer UltraClear personally). > > -- > Fr?d?ric Crozat > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 07:05:16 +0300 > From: Quim Gil <quim.gil at nokia.com> > Subject: Re: "hidden features" Re: 3 months... > To: dmg at uvic.ca > Cc: maemo-users at maemo.org > Message-ID: <1192161916.15054.38.camel at caixanegra> > Content-Type: text/plain > > Hi, thanks for this feedback. > > As someone has pointed out, enhancements of software developed by Nokia > should be requested via bugzilla. More at > http://maemo.org/community/bugs_and_features.html > > For bigger feature requests check > http://maemo.org/community/wiki/roadmapwishlist/ (I'm putting the > roadmap in better shape these days...) > > Two important things: > > - maemo doesn't handle really hardware enhancement requests. Hardware > design goes through usual Nokia processes. They consider user feedback > in many ways, from deep studies to scanning user comments here and > there. But there is no official interactive channel as we have for the > maemo platform. > > - Third party applications such as Maemo Mapper or GPE Calendar have > their own feedback channels and Nokia or maemo bugzilla has nothing to > do with them (apart from being good neighbors) :) > > > On Thu, 2007-10-11 at 07:53 -0700, ext Daniel M German wrote: > > > Is there a place where all this info is documented? > > Well, at least copy&paste function and how to rise the thumb keyboard is > explained in the User Guide available as PDF in the device. There is > plenty of information and flash demos for end users at > http://nokia.com/n800 and http://nseries.com/n800 > > > -- > Quim Gil - http://maemo.org > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > maemo-users mailing list > maemo-users at maemo.org > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users > > > End of maemo-users Digest, Vol 30, Issue 29 > ******************************************* > -- Drew Baker (aka. Dotel) Secretary of http://www.fosug.org --Bring back the days of the BBS: Telnet/SSH2:/doteltech.com
