On Wed, 20 Dec 2023 at 01:54, Linus Torvalds <torvalds@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On Tue, 19 Dec 2023 at 16:06, Hector Martin <marcan@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > On 2023/12/19 23:42, Kalle Valo wrote: > > > > > > Why is it that every patch Hector submits seems to end up with flame > > > wars? > > Well, I do think some of it is Hector's personality and forceful > approaches, but I do think part of it is also the area in question. > > Because I do agree with Hector that.. > > > Just recently a patch was posted to remove the Infineon list from > > MAINTAINERS because that company cares so little they have literally > > stopped accepting emails from us. Meanwhile they are telling their > > customers that they do not recommend upstream brcmfmac and they should > > use their downstream driver [1]. > > Unquestionably broadcom is not helping maintain things, and I think it > should matter. > > As Hector says, they point to their random driver dumps on their site > that you can't even download unless you are a "Broadcom community > member" or whatever, and hey - any company that works that way should > be seen as pretty much hostile to any actual maintenance and proper > development. > > If Daniel and Hector are responsive to actual problem reports for the > changes they cause, I do think that should count a lot. > > I don't think Cypress support should necessarily be removed (or marked > broken), but if the sae_password code already doesn't work, _that_ > part certainly shouldn't hold things up? > > Put another way: if we effectively don't have a driver maintainer that > can test things, and somebody is willing to step up, shouldn't we take > that person up on it? I am trying to help try and find a maintainer in the community, but of course I can't guarantee anything. Theoretically of course it should be someone from Broadcom, Raspberry Pi, etc. and not the community (not that this helps unblock us promptly). I just would like to say this upstream Cypress driver has a large number of users via Fedora and CentOS Stream Automotive Distribution. And that's just the Fedora family of distros. But the Apple Silicon devices have a pretty large amount of users also. We need to find a way of accommodating both. If that's either fork the code into two separate files somehow or find another maintainer, I don't know (just my uninformed opinion). Is mise le meas/Regards, Eric Curtin > > Linus >
