On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 11:05:12AM -0700, John W. Linville wrote: > On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 04:02:03AM -0700, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 10:48:00AM -0700, John W. Linville wrote: > > > On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 07:43:53PM +0200, Marcel Holtmann wrote: > > > > > > > > > No we can't have a new (or updated) driver require new userspace. If you > > > > > > install a 2.6.30 kernel on an Ubuntu Hardy system, it should make the > > > > > > hardware work without installing an extra userspace component. And yes, > > > > > > it works for the first card if it provides a regulatory hint, but it > > > > > > should also work for the second card. > > > > > > > > > > That is what WIRELESS_OLD_REGULATORY is for, no? > > > > > > > > but that would go away with 2.6.29 if it proceeds as planned. > > > > > > I don't see a huge maintenance burden to it the way it is implemented > > > now. I know Luis will hate the idea, but perhaps we could just let > > > it linger indefinitely? > > > > This thread has about 65 messages on it, and no patches yet from Intel. > > I rather we talk productively about trying to resolve it with actual > > code like Johannes or I am. OLD_REGULATORY should still go IMO. > > Ok, but it isn't clear to me that any patch will resolve the issue of > someone running a new kernel on an old userland unless OLD_REGULATORY > is enabled...? IMHO its a worthy compromise to use only the world regulatory domain by default it no crda is present for *new drivers*, yes its restrictive, but that is the idea. It also pushes distributions to embrace crda, and realisticaly who is not going to have it? What prevents old distributions from using this? We're not breaking old drivers, we're enhacing new drivers so the logic behind this argument is just flawed. If it is deemed we don't care about this compromise for new drivers that is a different story. A middle solution is to move a few common db.txt regulatory domains staticaly into the kernel but of course this is also biased towards those countries. On my v2 approach to regulatory support I had added a whole bunch of generic countries staticaly into the kernel and then people opposed to that so we moved it now to userspace as they these can change dynamically and now people complain? Make up your mind. This has been reviewed for a while now and when a particular case comes up and people complain without patches we consider it? Luis -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-wireless" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
