On 12/17/2013 11:06 PM, Linus Torvalds wrote: > We have literally had this *exact* same issue with firmware loading. > Network drivers shouldn't try to load firmware at module load time. > Same deal. It is kind of a chicken and egg problem for (wireless) networking drivers. To get IFF_UP from the network layer you have to register a netdevice. For wireless drivers this means you have to register a wiphy device with cfg80211 which flags capabilities and optionally are custom regulatory domain. That information depends on the device and firmware used. And there we have a full circle. Regards, Arend -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-wireless" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html