On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 09:57:08PM +0300, Amir Goldstein wrote: > On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 6:29 PM Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > On Sun, Aug 15, 2021 at 05:14:06PM +0300, Amir Goldstein wrote: > > > Hi Greg, > > > > > > Sorry for the late reply, I have some questions about this change... > > > > > > On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 9:12 AM Greg Kurz <groug@xxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > > > > > Even if POSIX doesn't mandate it, linux users legitimately expect > > > > sync() to flush all data and metadata to physical storage when it > > > > is located on the same system. This isn't happening with virtiofs > > > > though : sync() inside the guest returns right away even though > > > > data still needs to be flushed from the host page cache. > > > > > > > > This is easily demonstrated by doing the following in the guest: > > > > > > > > $ dd if=/dev/zero of=/mnt/foo bs=1M count=5K ; strace -T -e sync sync > > > > 5120+0 records in > > > > 5120+0 records out > > > > 5368709120 bytes (5.4 GB, 5.0 GiB) copied, 5.22224 s, 1.0 GB/s > > > > sync() = 0 <0.024068> > > > > +++ exited with 0 +++ > > > > > > > > and start the following in the host when the 'dd' command completes > > > > in the guest: > > > > > > > > $ strace -T -e fsync /usr/bin/sync virtiofs/foo > > > > fsync(3) = 0 <10.371640> > > > > +++ exited with 0 +++ > > > > > > > > There are no good reasons not to honor the expected behavior of > > > > sync() actually : it gives an unrealistic impression that virtiofs > > > > is super fast and that data has safely landed on HW, which isn't > > > > the case obviously. > > > > > > > > Implement a ->sync_fs() superblock operation that sends a new > > > > FUSE_SYNCFS request type for this purpose. Provision a 64-bit > > > > placeholder for possible future extensions. Since the file > > > > server cannot handle the wait == 0 case, we skip it to avoid a > > > > gratuitous roundtrip. Note that this is per-superblock : a > > > > FUSE_SYNCFS is send for the root mount and for each submount. > > > > > > > > Like with FUSE_FSYNC and FUSE_FSYNCDIR, lack of support for > > > > FUSE_SYNCFS in the file server is treated as permanent success. > > > > This ensures compatibility with older file servers : the client > > > > will get the current behavior of sync() not being propagated to > > > > the file server. > > > > > > I wonder - even if the server does not support SYNCFS or if the kernel > > > does not trust the server with SYNCFS, fuse_sync_fs() can wait > > > until all pending requests up to this call have been completed, either > > > before or after submitting the SYNCFS request. No? > > > > > > > > Does virtiofsd track all requests prior to SYNCFS request to make > > > sure that they were executed on the host filesystem before calling > > > syncfs() on the host filesystem? > > > > Hi Amir, > > > > I don't think virtiofsd has any such notion. I would think, that > > client should make sure all pending writes have completed and > > then send SYNCFS request. > > > > Looking at the sync_filesystem(), I am assuming vfs will take care > > of flushing out all dirty pages and then call ->sync_fs. > > > > Having said that, I think fuse queues the writeback request internally > > and signals completion of writeback to mm(end_page_writeback()). And > > that's why fuse_fsync() has notion of waiting for all pending > > writes to finish on an inode (fuse_sync_writes()). > > > > So I think you have raised a good point. That is if there are pending > > writes at the time of syncfs(), we don't seem to have a notion of > > first waiting for all these writes to finish before we send > > FUSE_SYNCFS request to server. > > Maybe, but I was not referring to inode writeback requests. > I had assumed that those were handled correctly. > I was referring to pending metadata requests. > > ->sync_fs() in local fs also takes care of flushing metadata > (e.g. journal). I assumed that virtiofsd implements FUSE_SYNCFS > request by calling syncfs() on host fs, Yes virtiofsd calls syncfs() on host fs. > but it is does that than > there is no guarantee that all metadata requests have reached the > host fs from virtiofs unless client or server take care of waiting > for all pending metadata requests before issuing FUSE_SYNCFS. We don't have any journal in virtiofs. In fact we don't seem to cache any metadta. Except probably the case when "-o writeback" where we can trust local time stamps. If "-o writeback" is not enabled, i am not sure what metadata we will be caching that we will need to worry about. Do you have something specific in mind. (Atleast from virtiofs point of view, I can't seem to think what metadata we are caching which we need to worry about). Thanks Vivek > > But maybe I am missing something. > > It might be worth mentioning that I did not find any sync_fs() > commands that request to flush metadata caches on the server in > NFS or SMB protocols either. > > Thanks, > Amir. > _______________________________________________ Virtualization mailing list Virtualization@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/virtualization
