Re: How should we handle isochronous underruns?

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On Thu, 4 Jul 2013, Ming Lei wrote:

> On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 10:15 PM, Alan Stern <stern@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > On Wed, 3 Jul 2013, Ming Lei wrote:
> >
> >> >> Yes, that is the change tasklet is bringing, so looks we need to find a way
> >> >> to distinguish streaming-on from underrun when stream->td_list becomes
> >> >> empty in iso_stream_schedule().
> >> >
> >> > The difference will be the URB_ISO_ASAP flag.  The flag should be set
> >> > in the first URB of a new stream.  It should not be set in any other
> >> > URBs, unless the client driver doesn't care about losing
> >> > synchronization when an underrun occurs.
> >>
> >> So sounds a better name for the flag should be URB_ISO_STREAM_ON, :-)
> >
> > I agree, but the existing name is already exposed to userspace in
> > include/uapi/linux/usbdevice_fs.h.  We could change the internal name
> 
> If so, your coming change may break ABI because as you described
> that "the flag should be set in the first URB of a new stream", but
> some user-space drivers may not set it before. Even USB audio driver
> doesn't set it in current -next tree.

Really?  I thought Clemens's changes were already merged.  In any case, 
the audio driver should be easy enough to change.  Setting the flag on 
the first URB isn't a big deal.

User programs probably don't matter much.  In general, the practice is
to leave the interface on altsetting 0 when nothing is running and then
change to a different altsetting when starting an isochronous stream.  
Changing the altsetting is another way to tell the HCD that a stream is
starting fresh.

> > while leaving the external name the same, but that would be confusing.
> >
> > (URB_ISO_ASAP used to mean that the HCD was responsible for scheduling
> > the URB, and if the flag wasn't set then the value of urb->start_frame
> > would be used directly.  This doesn't make sense, because drivers
> > should not be in charge of URB scheduling -- HCDs should take care of
> > it.  So I have felt free to alter the flag's meaning.)
> 
> Anyway the name will become a bit confusing, so if we don't plan to
> change it, we should add detailed comment about its usage.

Yes.  There already are detailed comments; they will need to be 
updated.  But I never did add anything to Documentation/usb/URB.txt; 
obviously that file needs attention.

> > them simply set URB_ISO_ASAP on all their URBs.  Clemens has already
> > added a fix for the snd-usb-audio driver.
> 
> I am wondering the fix has been added because it may depend on the
> coming change of URB_ISO_ASAP, :-)

The new meaning of URB_ISO_ASAP is very close to the current meaning.  
Whatever changes Clemens made ought to work for both the current code 
and the upcoming code.

Alan Stern

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