Re: avoid resetting mode-switched devices

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Am Montag, 14. Dezember 2009 21:19:38 schrieb Alan Stern:
> On Mon, 14 Dec 2009, Oliver Neukum wrote:
> 
> > Hi Josua, Alan,
> > 
> > as we discussed earlier devices which need to be switched must
> > not be reset. Currently I think only the storage driver is affected.
> > Ideally we would not put all those devices into the quirks list.
> > I'd prefer the user space tools making the switch to tell the kernel
> > that the new device is quirky.
> > What kind of API for that would you prefer?
> 
> Note that users can turn the persist_enabled flag back on through 
> sysfs.

Yes, the user can do that. The kernel is supposed to provide
safe defaults. Protecting the user from himself is not its job.

> Also note that other drivers will reset a device to recover from errors 
> (usbhid for example).

I haven't heard of a switched device with an HID interface.

> Do we really have to do this?  How often will it be a problem?

We do have a problem here.

> usb-storage's class-specific reset mechanism almost never works, 

But
a) a generic reset will never work
b) the other interfaces may still work

> probably because Windows doesn't use it.  So what does Windows do when 
> such a device gets an error in its mass-storage interface?

I don't know. I suspect Windows switches modes in kernel space.

	Regards
		Oliver
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