> Can udev in current form really handle the MAC race? Unless there's a > new uevent right before ndo_open() so udev can decide which MAC to > assign? Even with that, the race can still happen... There will always be a race, since the kernel can start using the interface before register_netdev() has even finished, before user space is running. Take a look at how NFS root works. But in general, you can change the MAC address at any time. Some MAC drivers will return -EBUSY if the interface is up, but that is generally artificial. After a change of MAC address ARP will time out after a while and the link peers will get the new MAC address. > > So what if we keep the existing behavior (i.e. copy MAC from ACPI), > and let userspace daemon like NetworkManager to give the second NIC > (r8152 in this case) a random MAC if the main NIC (I219 in this case) > is already in use? Considering the userspace daemon has the all the > information required and it's the policy maker here. You should be thinking of this in more general terms. You want to design a system that will work for any vendors laptop and dock. You need to describe the two interfaces using some sort of bus address, be it PCIe, USB, or a platform device address as used by device tree etc. Let the kernel do whatever it wants with MAC addresses for these two interfaces. The only requirement you have is that the laptop internal interface gets the vendor allocated MAC address, and that the dock get some sort of MAC address, even if it is random. On device creation, udev can check if it now has both interfaces? If the internal interface is up, it is probably in use. Otherwise, take its MAC address and assign it to the dock interface, and give the internal interface a random MAC address, just in case. You probably need to delay NetworkManager, systemd-networkkd, /etc/network/interfaces etc, so that they don't do anything until after udevd has settled, indicating all devices have probably been found. I suspect you will never get a 100% robust design, but you can probably get it working enough for the cleaning staff and the CEO, who have very simple setups. Power users are going to find all the corner cases and will want to disable the udev rule. Andrew