Re: 30 sec boot delay and logitech mouse disconnection

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On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 15:40:28 -0500
glphvgacs <darwinskernel@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 03:12:10PM -0500, Alan Stern wrote:
> > On Thu, 23 Jan 2014, glphvgacs wrote:
> > 
> > > > The trace shows that the mouse appears, and then apparently is
> > > > unused. It kind of looks as though the mouse goes into runtime
> > > > suspend, but not entirely.  After 60 seconds, the mouse
> > > > disconnects itself and then reconnects a little later.
> > > > 
> > > > Does the mouse work at all?  From what I can tell in the usbmon
> > > > trace, nothing would happen if you moved it or pressed a button.
> > > 
> > > works just fine.
> > 
> > That's strange.  Can you provide a usbmon trace that shows what
> > happens when you use the mouse?  And to keep down the size of the
> > trace file, can you unplug the USB drive (the sdb drive) while
> > running the test?
> 
> nope, i'm booting off of that hd (IDE) that's hooked up to usb and
> yes i caught a lot of it's traffice since it was on bus2.
> could it have something to do with this? i'm moving to usb3 soon
> though. did you have a change to look at the systemd-udev msg in my
> previous posts?

Dear glphygacs,

You might like to read the kernel archives for "Repeated disconnects of
wired mouse" where Alan and I tried to work out why my wired mice
disconnected with perfect regularity. I tried different mice made by
different manufacturers (but with the same chip, it turned out) in
different computers running different linux kernel versions and
options. I never did find the cause.

The way I worked around it was like this:

I first noticed the problem on a computer which used USB extenders to
send the USB signals to another room. Thinking it was an electrical
noise problem I tried out cheap extenders and expensive extenders to no
avail. However, one of the peripherals on the USB was a mains-powered
scanner. When I put it on a separate bus a lot of the disconnections
went away. My particular electrical arrangements might well have
involved a large ground loop which would pick up interference. Although
I doubt this is your problem, be aware that some equipment can be
dc-coupled and therefore invite ground loops. VGA extenders are the
worst. I've had one which spewed wide-spectrum interference all over
the mains supply and could be picked up with a slightly off-station
portable radio from hundreds of yards away.

My problem continued when I connected the same mice to a laptop running
on battery in the middle of a field, so it wasn't just down to
electrical noise. In fact the only way I was able to resolve the
problem was to use a wireless mouse. This has proved to be almost 100%
reliable in operation since then. I concluded that somehow I'd managed
to damage a bunch of wired mice.

I was going to throw them out but as it happens a couple of days ago I
re-discovered them and thought I'd connect them (via an extender) to
one of the computers I'd previously had problems with. I've not had any
disconnections at all. I'm now using kernel 3.10.3.

I'm baffled by all of this. Perhaps I was suffering from a lot of
interference from a 3rd party at the time. Perhaps it's moved over to
you! Who can say? Nevertheless, I hope I've given you some food for
thought.

As a point of interest can you tell me what your motherboard is (ie.
what the USB chip is), what is the name of the chip in your mouse?

Yours,

Larry.
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