Just getting to this-- I'll follow-up with Marc offline. Thanks, Eric -- nvpublic > -----Original Message----- > From: linux-tegra-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:linux-tegra- > owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Stephen Warren > Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 8:25 AM > To: Marc Dietrich; Philipp Kern; Allen Martin > Cc: nonfree@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Julian Andres Klode; > dktrkranz@xxxxxxxxxx; ftpmaster@xxxxxxxxxx; linux-tegra@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: autobuild of tegrarcm > > On 07/28/2014 02:03 AM, Marc Dietrich wrote: > > added tegra ml, tegra maintainer, and tegrarcm maintainer. > > > > I think the license isn't appropriete for this software at all. See my > > notes regarding this here [1]. So lets take the chance and ping nvidia > > again on this issue. > > I'll ask Eric to comment on this again, although please note that he's out on > vacation this week. > > That is, unless Allen has any comment? > > > [1] http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-tegra/msg11945.html > > > > Am Sonntag, 27. Juli 2014, 20:23:20 schrieb Philipp Kern: > >> Hi, > >> > >> On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 09:55:20PM +0200, Marc Dietrich wrote: > >>> On Sun, 12 May 2013, Philipp Kern wrote: > >>>> Hi, > >>>> > >>>> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 11:31:21AM +0200, Marc Dietrich wrote: > >>>>> The proprietary license only applies to the binaries included in > >>>>> some > >>>>> header> > > >>>>> files. FYI, here is the license: > >>>> it seems like an oversight: LICENSE says "The files > >>>> tegra20-miniloader.h and tegra30-miniloader.h are provided pursuant > >>>> to the following license agreement". But there is also > >>>> tegra114-miniloader.h, which bears the same "not usable without a > specific agreement" header. > >>> > >>> thanks for finding this. I think this can be fixed easily. I'll ask > >>> my NVIDIA contact to update the LICENSE file regarding this. > >>> > >>>> Interestingly NVIDIA tells us in the license that it is > >>>> "revocable", which is not the case for the graphics driver one. I > >>>> presume we're already talking about the binary code form here. It > >>>> does not really make me happy that we can only distribute this to > >>>> sublicensees that agree to be bound by the license and to owners of > >>>> NVIDIA hardware. Both is untrue when > >>> > >>>> looking at buildds. ): > >>> Does the term "revocable" cause problems with the distribution? Does > >>> this mean that users downloading the code (or the binary) must > >>> delete it if NVIDIA tells debian to do so? Of course this is not > >>> possbile because we don't know the identity of the users downloading > >>> this code. Also we don't ask the users to aggree with the license > >>> before downloading/running the program. > >>> > >>> The code in the miniloader files is not run on the machine which > >>> runs tegrarcm. It is run on the target SoC, which is likely Tegra, > >>> because all other SoCs won't run this bootloader. So I think this is > >>> more or less harmless. > >> > >> whenever I go back to this license, I feel bad about it. Adding Luca > >> who accepted it. > >> > >> The graphic driver license clearly exempts Linux from the problematic > >> provisions. The tegra one does not even try. Here's 2.1: > >> > >> 2.1 Rights and Limitations of Grant. NVIDIA hereby grants to You the > >> following non-exclusive, non-transferable, revocable right under > >> NVIDIA’s copyrights to use, copy, distribute and sublicense the > >> SOFTWARE (solely in binary code form) to Your sublicensees (a) solely > >> for use in connection with NVIDIA hardware or software products; and > >> (b) pursuant to the terms and conditions of any form of end-user > >> software license agreement; provided, that Your sublicensees agree to > >> be bound by this LICENSE or terms and conditions that are as > >> protective of NVIDIA’s Intellectual Property Rights in the SOFTWARE > as > >> this LICENSE > >> > >> I'm unsure if the latter part means that the users need to consent > >> before we can offer it (e.g. click-through). Unless we do not actually > sublicense. > >> OTOH if we'd sublicense, then the users would not need to destroy > >> copies when we need to. > >> > >> And then there's clause 3: > >> > >> 3. TERM AND TERMINATION > >> . > >> This LICENSE and the licenses granted hereunder shall be effective as > >> of the date You download the applicable SOFTWARE (“Effective > Dateâ€) > >> and continue for a period of one (1) year (“Initial Termâ€) > >> respectively, unless terminated earlier in accordance with the > >> “Termination†provision of this LICENSE. Unless either party > notifies > >> the other party of its intent to terminate this LICENSE at least three > >> (3) months prior to the end of the Initial Term or the applicable > >> renewal period, this License will be automatically renewed for one (1) > >> year renewal periods thereafter, unless terminated in accordance with > >> the “Termination†provision of this LICENSE > >> . > >> NVIDIA may terminate this LICENSE at any time if You violate its > >> terms. Upon termination, You will immediately destroy the SOFTWARE or > >> return all copies of the SOFTWARE to NVIDIA, and certify to NVIDIA in > >> writing that such actions have been completed. Upon termination or > >> expiration of this LICENSE the license grants to Licensee shall > >> terminate, except that sublicenses rightfully granted by Licensee > >> under this LICENSE in connection with Paragraph 2 of this LICENSE > >> provided by Licensee prior to the termination or expiration of this > >> LICENSE shall survive in accordance with their respective form of > >> license terms and conditions. > >> [...] > >> > >> Do we have a precedent for such a clause? The whole language about > >> one year terms and announcements of termination worries me. That'd > >> mean that someone'd need to monitor NVIDIA's announcements and > then > >> request removal from a stable release in time? Or will that only > >> happen towards single users? (I.e. must the notification be direct?) > >> > >> I guess the language about NVIDIA's products can be ok, given that > >> the compiled product is only useful on NVIDIA hardware anyway and > >> will not be executed on buildds… > >> > >> Kind regards > >> Philipp Kern > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-tegra" > > in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More > majordomo > > info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html > > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-tegra" in the > body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at > http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html ��.n��������+%������w��{.n�����{��נ���^n�r������&��z�ޗ�zf���h���~����������_��+v���)ߣ�
