On Tue, Mar 23, 2021 at 05:36:06PM +0000, Mark Brown wrote: > On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 12:38:15PM -0700, Dmitry Torokhov wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 12:37:07PM +0000, Mark Brown wrote: > > > > This feels like it might make sense to push up to the driver core level > > > then rather than doing in individual buses? > > > That is exactly the issue: we can't. Driver core already releases all > > resources when a device is being unbound but that happens after bus > > "remove" code is executed and therefore is too late. The device might > > already be powered down, but various devm release() callbacks will be > > trying to access it. > > Can you provide a concrete example of something that is causing problems > here? If something is trying to access the device after remove() has > run that sounds like it's abusing devres somehow. It sounded from your > commit log like this was something to do with the amount of time it took > the driver core to action the frees rather than an ordering issue. No it is ordering issue. I do not have a proven real-life example for SPI, but we do have one for I2C: https://lore.kernel.org/linux-devicetree/20210305041236.3489-7-jeff@xxxxxxxxxxx/ However, if we consider fairly typical SPI driver, such as drivers/input/touchscreen/ad7877.c, you can see that it uses devm in its probe() and because all resources are managed, it does not define remove() at all. So during proble we have: <driver core allocations> SPI: dev_pm_domain_attach AD7877: devm_kzalloc driver structure AD7877: devm allocation of input device AD7877: devm custom action to disable the chip on removal AD7877: devm IRQ request AD7877: devm sysfs attribute group AD7877: devm input registration <additional devm driver core allocations?> And on remove: SPI: dev_pm_domain_detach !!!!!! <deallocate additional devm driver core allocations?> AD7877: devm input unregistration AD7877: devm sysfs attribute group removal AD7877: devm freeing IRQ AD7877: devm disable the chip AD7877: devm freeing of input device AD7877: devm free driver structure <deallocate driver core allocations> Note how dev_pm_domain_detach() jumped ahead of everything, and strictly speaking past this point we can no longer guarantee that we can access the chip and disable it. > > > devm only works when you do not mix manual resources with managed ones, > > and when bus code allocates resources themselves (attaching a device to > > a power domain can be viewed as resource acquisition) we violate this > > principle. We could, of course, to make SPI bus' probe() use > > devm_add_action_or_reset() to work in removal of the device from the > > power domain into the stream of devm resources, but that still requires > > changes at bus code, and I believe will complicate matters if we need to > > extend SPI bus code to allocate more resources in probe(). So I opted > > for opening a devm group to separate resources allocated before and > > after probe() to be able to release them in the right order. > > Sure, these are standard issues that people create with excessive use of devm is a fact of life and we need to live with it. I am unconvinced if it solved more issues that it brought in, but it is something that driver authors like to use and are pushed towards. > devm but the device's remove() callback is surely already a concern by > itself here? In the example above there is not one, but even if it exists, it is called first, so in some limited cases you could have non-managed resources allocated very last and released first in remove(), and then have devm release the rest. However driver's remove() is not issue here, it is bus' non-trivial remove. Thanks. -- Dmitry