If a user wants to have speakup_soft being run by speakup in ubuntu and speakup_soft as a module is now available in the system would: modprobe speakup.speakup_soft work to get speakup going then: sysctl enable speakup then rebooting would bring up speakup talking? Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) .