You should learn about something called "consoles," often referred to as tty consoles. By default, on most installations you have 7 of these. One is for the graphical environment where Orca runs, and the other six are for text only apps that you run from a shell like bash (or, these days, perhaps zsh). Speakup does not work in the terminal you can access from Orca's graphical environment, though Fenrir will work there. Note that a console acts a like like a terminal, but the two technologies aren't really the same. I presently still use screen to get terminal sessions in my consoles. I have 23 consoles, by the way, with about 10 of those have multiple screen terminals within them. For example, my console on tty10 is where I do my text based mail using a mail user agent called mutt. I open 10 terminals in that console using screen. In each of those terminals I launch mutt on a different folder of email that has been pre-sorted for me by procmail. Note also that you can adjust the size of your text consoles. Mine are currently 75 rows by 112 columns. Bottom line here is thatneither Orca nor the desktop graphical environments are really designed to provide compelling terminal services. If you really want terminal, there's nothing like the real thing. Having said this, I'm perfectly aware that some people get all they want from terminal sessions with the terminal available with the graphical environment. I'm just not one of those people. hth Janina Reece O'Bryan writes: > Thank you, this is great information. Is it difficult having both running at the same time; speak up running in terminal and orca running for everything else? Wouldn’t orca still try to speak when you open the terminal. > Which other window managers are orca friendly? Do I have to stick with gnome or can I go with something like XFCE, KDE, etc? I know these are simple questions, but I do not want to risk doing something to my machine that would require someone with vision to help me fix it. > > Thank you, > > -Reece > > > On Dec 14, 2020, at 4:28 PM, Didier Spaier <didier@xxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > You can't use Speakup (not to be confused with Espeak) in a graphical environment at all, only in a console. > > Speakup is a console screen reader, Espeak is one of the TTS engines (with associated voices) that can be used with Orca. > > > > Further as your question is actually about Orca, you could get more answers posting in the Orca mailing list. > > In case you didn't come across it, here is a link: > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > > > Didier > > > >> On 14/12/2020 21:56, Reece O'Bryan wrote: > >> This is great to hear. So can I run both Espeak and Orca at the same time or will I need to close orca when I want to open the terminal and use espeakup? > >> Thank you, > >> -Reece > >>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 2:04 PM, Zachary Kline <zkline@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> To be perfectly honest, I recommend using Speakup for good terminal support. Orca is rather sub-par in this regard, and Speakup was designed to fully support command-line output from the start. > >>> Best, > >>> Zack. > >>> > >>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 10:52 AM, Reece O'Bryan <reece.obryan@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Hello, > >>>> > >>>> I’m having trouble efficiently accessing outputs from terminal in Orca. I need a fully functioning screen reader, is there an easy way to navigate line by line of output from terminal in espeakup or orca? > >>>> > >>>> Thank you, > >>>> > >>>> -Reece > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Speakup mailing list > >>>> Speakup@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > >>>> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Speakup mailing list > >>> Speakup@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > >>> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Speakup mailing list > >> Speakup@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka https://linkedin.com/in/jsajka Linux Foundation Fellow Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) Co-Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
