I am now subscribed to debian-accessibility. I thought I was before but was actually subscribed to ubuntu-accessibility which is a very close family member to debian as I once had orca running on another linux box. I got the clone from git and did sudo make install and instantly got cc -MMD -Wall -c -o espeakup.o espeakup.c In file included from espeakup.c:29:0: espeakup.h:27:30: fatal error: espeak/speak_lib.h: No such file or directory #include <espeak/speak_lib.h> ^ compilation terminated. <builtin>: recipe for target 'espeakup.o' failed make: *** [espeakup.o] Error 1 I suspect a lot of this contrariness with the system kicking and screaming at every step has to do with the fact that I brought speech up on the ISO image while installing it and #include <espeak/speak_lib.h> refers to a header file that should be here but isn't, not in any directory so it isn't a case of debian doing something odd with it. speak_lib.h doesn't exist in any directory on the system. The other debian box which I purposely have not yet tried anything major with also never seems to have had this file on it's one and only drive. It was also installed from the same ISO CD image. Finally, I think it is absolutely amazing that this stuff works as well as it does almost all the time. I have been writing programs in several different languages such as assembler, basic, c and perl for 30 years and watching a complex package build is almost like experiencing art. There are so many ways for things to go wrong but they normally make it through all the hoops intact which is one of the reasons why I hadn't subscribed to debian-accessibility sooner. Stuff mostly just works. Anyway, the missing library is a show-stopper for now. espeak does talk but the new espeakup is still science fiction on this system. Martin _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup