Hi, John: I've never seen speechd_up packaged, not when I was running Fedora nor now that I'm running Arch. It seems quite the orphan as speech-dispatcher packaging isn't building it. Is speechd_up still being maintained? Am I just not seeing the package? Best, Janina John Covici writes: > This may be a dumb question, but why use espeakup at all, but run > speakup through speech dispatcher instead using speechd-up? > > On Sun, 24 Mar 2019 08:07:57 -0400, > Didier Spaier wrote: > > > > Hi Janina, > > > > alsa.conf is not attached, please send it, as well as the full > > output of: > > aplay -L > > > > For a complete diagnose, please also do this: > > 1. Get the script alsa-info.sh: > > wget --no-check-certificate -nv http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh > > 2. Run it: > > sh alsa-info.sh --no-upload --output alsareport > > 3. Send the file alsareport (maybe only to me, it will be huge). > > > > Anyway, my assumption from the information you already gave is that > > the sound modules for your cards are no loaded in the same order by > > udev at every boot, hence the changes in card numbering. This can > > probably be solved writing relevant commands in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa.conf. > > > > Best, > > > > Didier > > > > > > On 24/03/2019 10:25, Janina Sajka wrote: > > > Good Morning, Didier: > > > > > > I'm attaching my /etc/modprobe.d/alsa.conf which works, except that I > > > seem to have some kind of error in the vendor or product ID for the > > > Steinberg UR22mkII, which is why it's commented out for now. This config > > > actually does reliably load each of my audio devices usefully, most of > > > the time anyway. > > > > > > * Espeakup is started by a systemctl enabled on boot > > > > > > * Speech-Dispatcher is started by hand with a startx after I'm > > > * confident hw:0 is correctly assigned. Sometimes on boot, it's > > > * missed entirely and the above devices are scrambled. That > > > * requires a reboot to get them correctly ordered. > > > > > > I have the Sennheiser headset set as alsa device in /etc/asound.conf for > > > the benefit of linphonec, which has started working again, though it seg > > > faults if I try to answer an incoming call. > > > > > > The HDSP device has had driver issues off and on in the past few years. > > > It's a 20-year old high end audio device. I have the first generation > > > RME Multiface card. The Steinberg UR22mkII is arguably its peer, though > > > it doesn't provide the same array of inputs and outputs, most regretably > > > no s/pdif. > > > > > > In any case, just to review, the problem of the moment is that doing the > > > startx to get the graphical desktop up with Orca sometimes kills all of > > > espeakup, and a restart puts espeakup on hw:2--making hw:2 unavailable > > > for linphonec which I use for teleconferences. > > > > > > So, sometimes the system can boot without discovering its builtin, > > > onboard Intel HDA hardware. That's annoying because I seem unable to fix > > > it without a reboot. > > > > > > And most recently, about half the time, startx is killing espeakup and a > > > restart of espeakup goes to the wrong card. > > > > > > Sounds to me like espeakup needs to expose more capabilities--like Slink > > > does! <grin> > > > > > > Didier, I want to thank you for providing the pulse to alsa translation, > > > i.e. pulse's sink equals alsa's pcm. It's a little tricky to intuit such > > > things sometimes. > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > Janina > > > > > > Didier Spaier writes: > > >> Hi again, Janina, > > >> > > >> Yes it's Sunday now form <smile> > > >> > > >> Maybe if you provide the output of aplay -L > > >> and what sink (in PulesAudio parlance) or PCM device > > >> (in Alsa parlance) you want to dedicate to a specific > > >> usage we could try to help you get there. > > >> > > >> Time to sleep now for me, see you tomorrow (Paris time). > > >> > > >> Best, > > >> > > >> Didier > > >> > > >> On 23/03/2019 23:49, Janina Sajka wrote: > > >>> Hi Again, Didier: > > >>> > > >>> Speaking of late Saturday, I suspect it's Sunday for you by now! <grin> > > >>> > > >>> I think you're correct that I've been misunderstanding libao. In any > > >>> case having the plughw:1 in the alsa stanza wasn't harming anything. > > >>> > > >>> I'm currently booted with speech-dispatcher using also, so that > > >>> directive may actually be working. It's also possible, of course, that > > >>> it's just the next available card, because espeakup is definitely using > > >>> plughw:0, so :0 is locked up tight for espeak's use. That makes :1 the > > >>> next available card. > > >>> > > >>> In my /etc/asound.conf I have the default set for hw:2, because linphone > > >>> is no longer allowing me to specify the particular alsa device that is > > >>> my headset. > > >>> > > >>> Best, > > >>> > > >>> Janina > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Didier Spaier writes: > > >>>> Hi Janina > > >>>> > > >>>> Setting these two directives like this in speechd.conf won't ever work, > > >>>> I think: > > >>>> AudioOutputMethod "libao" > > >>>> AudioALSADevice "plughw:1" > > >>>> > > >>>> In the first one you tell to use the libao audio output, but > > >>>> the second one is only used if you use the alsa audio output instead > > >>>> if I understand well. > > >>>> > > >>>> If initially the card # 1 used with speech-dispatcher thte is because > > >>>> of some other setting, I think. I don't know which one, you will > > >>>> need to a look ayour Arch configuration and sercice files to > > >>>> find oouT. > > >>>> > > >>>> So if you use the libao output (libao using in turn its alsa backend, > > >>>> I assume), you will have to find another way to set the card to use > > >>>> for speech managed by speech-dispatcher, than to do this setting in > > >>>> speechd.conf. > > >>>> > > >>>> One of the possibility would be a setting in /etc/asound.conf or > > >>>> in ~/.asoundrc > > >>>> > > >>>> Oh, and you can't take the config file I sent you as is and hope > > >>>> it will work in Arch, as the settings in it have to be read by > > >>>> some script managing espeakup. This is the case in Slint but > > >>>> not in Arch. So if you want to use these settings in Arch you > > >>>> will have to find out by why script they should be used, > > >>>> and maybe modify it to read them. > > >>>> > > >>>> I can't resist to suggest that you try Slint instead <smile>. > > >>>> > > >>>> Best, > > >>>> > > >>>> Didier > > >>>> > > >>>> PS I received the answer from Cris while typing. But I don't > > >>>> think our answers contradict each other, fortunately. > > >>>> > > >>>> On 23/03/2019 20:20, Janina Sajka wrote: > > >>>>> Hi, Didier: > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Once again you're providing some very helpful guidance. Thank you so > > >>>>> very much for that. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Yes, I'm using arch, but I'm the other way around from what you're > > >>>>> saying. I'm using speech-dispatcher-git, but only the espeakup release > > >>>>> at the moment. The reason is that the current speech-dispatcher relase > > >>>>> isn't correctly accepting an alsa card designation, i.e. it won't honor > > >>>>> these two directives in speechd.conf: > > >>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> I am now going to put your espeakup script in place on my machine and > > >>>>> try a reboot. I will report. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Thank you for this script. I wasn't aware all these directives could be > > >>>>> included. This should solve my problem, I hope! <grin> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Janina > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Didier Spaier writes: > > >>>>>> Hi Janina, > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> IIRC you are running Arch. Right? > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> If yes, looking at the PKGBUILD I see that it grabs a snapshot from > > >>>>>> git at the commit d25ed10d dated 22 nov. 2018: > > >>>>>> https://github.com/brailcom/speechd/commit/d25ed10d5ede8c0f747211928fbd5f742d753556 > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> So I am puzzled that you just get it, knowing the PKGBUILD was last updated > > >>>>>> on 24. Nov. 2018... > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> So, I can't see a reason for speech-dispatcher be in concern for an issue > > >>>>>> occurring this week. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> And espeakup-git (if that's what you use) was last updated on > > >>>>>> 2019-01-03 18:14. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> So I am puzzled. I don't know what happened recently, but this issue should be > > >>>>>> reported to your distribution rather than to upstream IMHO. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Also, a tip: you can set ALSA_CARD before starting espeakup, it will > > >>>>>> honor this setting. This how we now do in Slint, cf. attached file > > >>>>>> /etc/espeakup.conf. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> To know which files are involved in Arch, have a look at the bottom > > >>>>>> of https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/tree/PKGBUILD?h=espeakup-git > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Sorry I can't provide further guidance, not running Arch. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Best, > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Didier > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> On 22/03/2019 15:43, Janina Sajka wrote: > > >>>>>>> I tend to update globally about once a week, usually on Fridays. With > > >>>>>>> today's update of Speech-Dispatcher-git Espeakup is broken. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> 1.) I boot to a console login. Works as expected. Speakup speaks > > >>>>>>> with Espeak on hw:0. Yes, I'm using alsa, not pulse. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> 2.) I launch the graphical desktop with startx and Orca comes up > > >>>>>>> over Speech-Dispatcher using libao on hw:1 as specified in speechd.conf. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> 3.) Switching back to any console, speech is gone. Doing a systemctl > > >>>>>>> restart espeakup puts speech on hw:2. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> This is bonkers. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> PS: Isn't it time we could control what device the soft synth driver > > >>>>>>> speaks to with a configuration option? Perhaps an additional parameter > > >>>>>>> in /etc/conf.d/espeakup? > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Or is it supposed to be in /etc/speakup/espeakup? > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Both those configs say basically the same thing, but they're not > > >>>>>>> symlinked. Why? > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > -- > Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: > How do > you spend it? > > John Covici wb2una > covici@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx -- Janina Sajka Linux Foundation Fellow Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
