I presently use msmtp to send my mutt mail, while alpine can redefine "sendmail" to point directly to smtp.gmail.com:587, and edbrowse also interacts directly with its "smarthost". So what I'm thinking is, I could install postfix and let mutt and alpine hand their outbound mail to postfix, and from there to gmail. Maybe gmail won't complain about postfix like it does with my current setup. If I understood Kirk's reply, that's how he sends his mail., though I'm not sure he uses gmail.com. Chuck -- Here too, In Northeast Ohio, The Moon is Waning Crescent (2% of Full) When elephants fight, the grass gets crushed. Sent from Colin's iPhone. _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup