Not to be outdone, but here's an even further back question: What if I installed an MTA on my system, like exim or postfix? Would that be a workaround? At present each of my three email programs sends directly to smtp.gmail.com, and I have no MTA on my system at all. Chuck -- Here too, In Northeast Ohio, The Moon is Waning Crescent (6% of Full) When your only tool is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Sent from Lucy's iPhone. _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup