It has amazed me over the years how many different ways users find to
use speakup or any screen reader. Certainly many of the functions I
originally wrote are used differently than I intended when I first
wrote them. Many of the features other folks have included in speakup
over the years I have come to depend on as well such as the keyboard
active volume, pitch, and speed and windowing that Dave added. My
intension was never to mimic what other screen readers did other than
the keyboard review keys based on ASAP which I used at the time I
wrote speakup and therefore was comfortable with. Over the years there
have been features I thought would be useful to have for convenience
like on screen find and reading cursor routing to the end of the
current word which I've been tempted to add for years but never seem
to get around to.
I do use the goto function quite a bit and so would probably be sad to
see it go away but like I said everybody uses speakup differently. I
don't see the justification for removing it because placing the review
cursor at a specific point on the screen will be needed for on screen
find or active cursor routing so something else will need to be added
to replace goto's basic functioning. I wouldn't argue it may need to
be rewritten to make it more efficient but removing it doesn't make
any sense to me. I mean if one was to point out features that never
get used how many people even know the xnum facility exist or know how
to use it?
You can place a reading cursor at any point on the screen and 'park'
it there if you need quick access to any one spot. You can set up a
window to silence a portion of the screen which is to verbose that
you'd like to not hear constantly updating. Most of these features are
documented in the speakup users manual so regular users of speakup
should be aware of them. Certainly the are useful additions that can
be made but as with anything people that modify and enhance a program
typically make changes that meet their personal needs rather than the
general community.
There's my nickle-98's worth of opinion.
Kirk
On Mon, 12 Sep 2016, Brian Buhrow wrote:
hello. I'm not so much of a speakup user, but every text based screen
reader I've used, I'm currently writing on this with a machine running
Yasr, has a review mode. In review mode, the find function is invaluable
in finding a specific area of the screen. If you have a screen full of
text, and you want to know on which line a specific string of text appears,
the find function can save you a lot of time in that it saves you from
having to read each line of the screen to find the thing you're looking
for.
Similarly, the go to function is very helpful if you know how an
application formats a screen layout. Then, if you want to read a specific
line of text, you can jump directly to that line without having to arrow
around from line to line. My mail program, for example, begins the display
of a message on the third line of my screen. So, when I want to jump to
the start of a message screen, I jump directly to the 3rd line of the
screen, and skip having to read the status line and any other data above
the specific lines I want.
Honestly, I'm shocked that so many on this list think these functions
are vestigial. Perhaps I'm missing something that's special about Speakup
and the need to use these functions, but I can't think of any configuration
of a screen reader that would obviate the need for these two functions.
Yes, lynx, vi, more, etc. have find functions, but they don't necessarily
let you locate the specific region of the screen where the text you're
looking for is located. And how you can function efficiently without that
knowledge, or the ability to get it after a couple of keystrokes, is, quite
frankly, baffling to me.
-Brian
On Sep 12, 4:23pm, Gregory Nowak wrote:
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