hello. I'm not so much of a speakup user, but every text based screen reader I've used, I'm currently writing on this with a machine running Yasr, has a review mode. In review mode, the find function is invaluable in finding a specific area of the screen. If you have a screen full of text, and you want to know on which line a specific string of text appears, the find function can save you a lot of time in that it saves you from having to read each line of the screen to find the thing you're looking for. Similarly, the go to function is very helpful if you know how an application formats a screen layout. Then, if you want to read a specific line of text, you can jump directly to that line without having to arrow around from line to line. My mail program, for example, begins the display of a message on the third line of my screen. So, when I want to jump to the start of a message screen, I jump directly to the 3rd line of the screen, and skip having to read the status line and any other data above the specific lines I want. Honestly, I'm shocked that so many on this list think these functions are vestigial. Perhaps I'm missing something that's special about Speakup and the need to use these functions, but I can't think of any configuration of a screen reader that would obviate the need for these two functions. Yes, lynx, vi, more, etc. have find functions, but they don't necessarily let you locate the specific region of the screen where the text you're looking for is located. And how you can function efficiently without that knowledge, or the ability to get it after a couple of keystrokes, is, quite frankly, baffling to me. -Brian On Sep 12, 4:23pm, Gregory Nowak wrote: } Subject: Re: bleeps and does anyone use goto } T24gU3VuLCBTZXAgMTEsIDIwMTYgYXQgMTE6MDA6MTFQTSAtMDcwMCwgU2hhd24gS2lya3BhdHJp } Y2sgd3JvdGU6Cj4gRG9lcyBzcGVha3VwIHJlYWxseSBub3QgaGF2ZSBhbiBvbi1zY3JlZW4gZmlu } ZD8gVGhhdCB3b3VsZCBiZSBsb25nCj4gb3ZlcmR1ZSBJJ2Qgc2F5LgoKU3BlYWt1cCBkb2Vzbid0 } IGhhdmUgYW4gb24tc2NyZWVuIGZpbmQgYmVjYXVzZSBpdCBpc24ndCBuZWNlc3NhcnkgaW4KbXkg } bm90IHNvIGh1bWJsZSBvcGluaW9uLiBTdWNoIGEgZmVhdHVyZSBhbHJlYWR5IGV4aXN0cyBpbiBs } eW54LAplbGlua3MsIHZpLCBlbWFjcywgbGVzcywgYW5kIHRoZXJlIGFyZSBhbG1vc3QgY2VydGFp } bmx5IG1vcmUgZnJvbSB0aGF0Cmxpc3QgdGhhdCBJIGNhbid0IHRoaW5rIG9mIG9mZiB0aGUgdG9w } IG9mIG15IGhlYWQuIFdoeSBkdXBsaWNhdGUgYQpmZWF0dXJlIGluIHNwZWFrdXAgd2hpY2ggYWxy } ZWFkeSBleGlzdHMgaW4gdmFyaW91cyBwYWNrYWdlcz8gQWxzbywgdGhlCmZpbmQgZmVhdHVyZSBp } biB0aG9zZSBwYWNrYWdlcyB3aWxsIGRvIGEgZmluZCBpbiB0aGUgY3VycmVudApwYWdlL2RvY3Vt } ZW50LCB3aGVyZWFzIGEgc3BlYWt1cCBmaW5kIGZlYXR1cmUgd291bGQgYmUgbGltaXRlZCBvbmx5 } CnRvIHRoZSBjdXJyZW50IHNjcmVlbiBjb250ZW50cy4gSnVzdCBteSAkMC4wMS4gT2ggeWVzLCBJ } IGRvbid0IHVzZSBnby10byBlaXRoZXIuCgpHcmVnCgoKLS0gCndlYiBzaXRlOiBodHRwOi8vd3d3 } LmdyZWduLm5ldApncGcgcHVibGljIGtleTogaHR0cDovL3d3dy5ncmVnbi5uZXQvcHVia2V5LmFz } Ywpza3lwZTogZ3JlZ24xCihhdXRob3JpemF0aW9uIHJlcXVpcmVkLCBhZGQgbWUgdG8geW91ciBj } b250YWN0cyBsaXN0IGZpcnN0KQpJZiB3ZSBoYXZlbid0IGJlZW4gaW4gdG91Y2ggYmVmb3JlLCBl } LW1haWwgbWUgYmVmb3JlIGFkZGluZyBtZSB0byB5b3VyIGNvbnRhY3RzLgoKLS0KRnJlZSBkb21h } aW5zOiBodHRwOi8vd3d3LmV1Lm9yZy8gb3IgbWFpbCBkbnMtbWFuYWdlckBFVS5vcmcKX19fX19f } X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KU3BlYWt1cCBtYWlsaW5n } IGxpc3QKU3BlYWt1cEBsaW51eC1zcGVha3VwLm9yZwpodHRwOi8vbGludXgtc3BlYWt1cC5vcmcv } Y2dpLWJpbi9tYWlsbWFuL2xpc3RpbmZvL3NwZWFrdXAK >-- End of excerpt from Gregory Nowak _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
