Boy, this list has been quiet. Anyway, 1 of our LUG members who helps me `alot was just asking yesterday if there were any new developements in "clifox"? I remember once there was maybe a source-code link posted, but searching my hard-drive as well as my Shellworld account, I must not have it. Certainly as more-and-more sites become worse-and-worse, this would be a valuable project. In running duckduck searches, I would only run in to old speakup FAQs and other pages I receive 404 errors. Thanks so much in advance from "just a user" still strugling with this U S B DecTalk Hart