Hi. elvis has a non-curses mode. On the blinux list, Tim Chase wrote: > Upon playing with "stevie" it seems that it doesn't actually support > "open mode", I wrote: http://nosuch.com/tjt/stevie says it was last updated in 1988... > but "elvis" (another vi clone) does. > bash$ elvis myfile.txt > :open > or you can specify that you want to use open mode at the command-line: > bash$ elvis -G open myfile.txt > which you can alias with > alias evi='elvis -G open' > to make it easier. Yup, that's nice, that's a serious candidate for vi users :-) It does chew up screen-space, so if you need to copy-and-paste anything into your file you'd better do that at the beginning of the editing-session, and under yasr there is no key-echo so you'd better touch-type well, but, yeah, it looks good. vibe is now too far advanced for me to abandon it, but elvis -G open is my default recommendation for ageing vi-users. On debian, the package is: aptitude install elvis-console ( end cross-post ) Regards, Peter Billam http://www.pjb.com.au pj at pjb.com.au (03) 6278 9410 "Follow the charge, not the particle." -- Richard Feynman from The Theory of Positrons, Physical Review, 1949