I partly used the beginner's guide on the arch wiki to do this. Deviations from those instructions included Chris Brannon's talking arch instructions and some others. I installed linux-lts since all of the speakup keys work with that kernel learned about on the arch-general email list. I installed a separate /boot partition of 50MB which enabled everything finally to come up talking. I installed syslinux as a boot loader and did edits on /boot/syslinux/syslinux.cfg. I pointed everything toward linux-lts rather than linux. I had to do another edit me and several others found strange too. Partitions were marked read only ro in syslinux.cfg and I found it necessary to change those to rw since the system in its boot process failed to do so even after 8 hours of leaving the system alone on a boot up. Finally it makes no difference on a boot up how long you let the system alone, arch only starts talking after the enter key is hit with syslinux. Having tried installations with both grub and lilo, I couldn't get either talking, so syslinux for me on arch linux has proven to be the way to a talking arch. Interestingly, syslinux.cfg is the only configuration file needed to be configured in a syslinux installation. The rest of the instructions in the beginner's guide worked without problems over here on an amd k8 athelon machine. I've had good luck with archlinux in the past the last time it was on a disk it ran problem free for a year. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- jude <jdashiel at shellworld.net> Adobe fiend for failing to Flash