For debian, vlc and mplayer no longer work. For archlinux, vlc works for a short time then dies. Haven't checked out mplayer yet. I got vlc working in archlinux by adding the user to the audio group before that the earlier version of pulseaudio blocked both vlc and mplayer from working. If you can't have a user in the audio group, it won't be possible to run emacspeak and get output to the sound card in the future due to pulseaudio. I only use alsa and not jackd since this isn't a high end system. On debian I'm told as a result of pulseaudio -k that pulseaudio is not installed too so I'm figuring this is all permanently broken at this point. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- jude <jdashiel at shellworld.net> Adobe fiend for failing to Flash