application software rather than for training in the OS. That may come in time, which is why I'm for installing both programs; Emacspeak and Speakup. If I were going to give advice, or an opinion based on the newbie's post, I'd vote for installing Emacspeak first, then move on to Speakup and learn about the OS. Has that clarified anything ladies? Please let's not fight here, it's so detros. And besides, it confuses the people who are asking our advice. Ann P. -- Ann K. Parsons email: akp at eznet.net ICQ Number: 33006854 WEB SITE: http://home.eznet.net/~akp "All that is gold does not glitter. Not all those who wander are lost." JRRT