Hi I hear what you say but at least fedora's live CD doesn't crap out like Ubuntu. It's not as good as it could be but it is managable. So constructive feedback to developers could only make a better option for us. On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 16:37 -0500, Alex H. wrote: > Personally, the fact that Festival is installed by default in Fedora > is annoying. It lags like most sampled speech and Espeak is just > nicer. It would be great also if the live CD/DVD included a boot > option like "Graphical Install Using Screen Reader" sort of like > Ubuntu. A few minutes later, the Live Installer would come up talking > with Orca. Just a nice suggestion that would help a lot of people who > don't have hardware synths and can't install with Speakup, like > myself. > > As for setting the time, it's just easier to set it after the system > is installed. But that too should be accessible from the live system. > > Alex > > > On 3/9/10, Michael Whapples <mwhapples at aim.com> wrote: > > Hello, > > Interesting to read, they don't quite match with the notes I ended up > > making. I have put my comments in your notes below. I am not saying you > > are wrong, its probably one of those cases where there are multiple > > solutions. > > On 01/-10/-28163 08:59 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote: > >> Hi > >> > >> > >> > >> The following set of notes from memory are a personal account on how I > >> installed Fedora 12 on a machine using NVidia chipset. The ethernet > >> port was hard wired to my router and was allowed DHCP negotiation. > >> These steps worked for me. > >> > >> Obviously the first issue is how to run orca as root with privileges to > >> undertake the install. I opened a Gnome terminal and requested root > >> privileges. Run orca and generated a .orbitrc file by these steps: > >> > >> Pressed: alt F2. > >> # gnome terminal > >> # sudo su > >> > > Sudo doesn't seem to work for me, the liveuser isn't in the sudoers > > file, su is enough. > >> # orca > >> Answered prompts as requested. > >> Allowed orca to log out and back in. > >> > > Those steps seem slightly unnecessary, setting up orca for the liveuser > > will enable orca and then when it comes to using orca for the install > > running orca as root using the --no-setup option avoids a second set up. > >> Pressed: alt F2. > >> # gnome terminal > >> # sudo su > >> # gedit /root/.orbitrc > >> I wrote in the file, the following 2 lines: > >> > >> ORBIIOPIPv4=1 > >> ORBIIOPUNIX=0 > >> > >> See: http://live.gnome.org/Orca/SysAdmin#create_an_orbitrc_file > >> > >> I then pressed ctrl + s to save the file then alt F4 to exit gedit. > >> I then pressed alt + F4 twice to exit the terminals > >> I pressed ctrl + alt + d to give the desktop focus. > >> I cursered up and down and found the install icon and pressed enter. > >> > > When I tried what you describe here orca went silent and when I tried to > > relaunch orca something seems to go wrong. My alternative is: > > Press alt+f2 and type gnome-terminal > > In gnome-terminal enter the following: > > # su > > # orca -q > > # orca --no-setup & > > Now be aware that the orca main window will have appeared, you will > > need to alt+tab back to gnome-terminal, but if you want now might be a > > chance to configure orca's settings for the install. Also note the and > > sign (&) after the orca command so it runs in the background. Anyway > > back to the gnome-terminal: > > # liveinst > > Now you have the installer. > >> It took a bit of guessing of what some of the dialogs were asking but it > >> was managable. Tabbing around informed me what sort of interaction was > >> required. I couldn't get orca to tell me that it wanted the hostname > >> for example. > >> I don't remember this to be too difficult, if there was issues with what > >> was meant then flat review seemed to clear it up. > >> > > > >> Another difficulty was the region and time zone screen. This is really > >> teadious and frustrating. What I found was that orca will read the item > >> upon arrival but then just reads rubbish every couple of seconds or so. > >> I found if I rerun orca it would behave. So by pressing alt + F2 and > >> typing orca. Orca would restart and get out of the loop. > >> I don't think you have it quite accurate, after persisting with it for a > >> bit and being gentle with it, I conclude what is happening is that orca is > >> very slow (I mean very, a response after a few seconds or more). I am > >> slightly surprised restarting orca solved it, the only thing that would do > >> is clear the queue of events, but it will build up again if you go too > >> fast. Also on this note, have you considered installing espeak into the > >> live environment, this will improve the responsiveness slightly, however > >> the timezone selection screen is bad regardless of TTS being used. > >> > > > >> I forgot about the first boot steps so had to wait until someone sighted > >> arrived and told me what was going on. > >> > > > > This caught me out as well, I don't understand why fedora use this first > > boot application, all other distros seem to do this from the installer CD. > >> It's not very nice but it is managable and worth it. > >> I guess is it worth it is a personal question, I conclude probably not. > >> However with a few alterations I could imagine it to be one of the better > >> install systems (may be if they used espeak by default, corrected the > >> installer issue so that you don't need to either run orca as root or write > >> an orbitrc file, altered the timezone screen so that it responds better > >> and offer doing firstboot stuff in the liveinst installer). Would you be > >> prepared to also work with me to try and see if fedora will actually put > >> any of this into the liveCD? > >> > > > > Michael Whapples > > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Gena four kinds of freedom, for the users of the software: * The freedom to run the program, for any purpose (freedom 0). * The freedom to study how the program works, and adapt it to your needs (freedom 1). Access to the source code is a precondition for this. * The freedom to redistribute copies so you can help your neighbor (freedom 2). * The freedom to improve the program, and release your improvements to the public, so that the whole community benefits (freedom 3). 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