I still haven't figured out why my doubletalk lt quits either at or close to login but I finally got tired of typing echo commands. Made myself a simple little script--well, doesn't even deserve that designation!!! echo none > /sys/module/speakup/parameters/synth echo ltlk > /sys/module/speakup/parameters/synth Put that in /usr/local/bin as ltlkstart. Takes all of two seconds to restart doubletalk lt now!!! I'd like to claim brilliance for figuring this out but actually it's downright embarrassing that it took me so long to think of doing this!!! -- Cheryl "Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."