I am using a doubletalk lt which does take the ltlk module. Sorry, I think the key I called pause is indeed printscreen. It does nothing after the point I described in my previous post. i can't check the value about which you ask right now because I went ahead and removed the module from initramfs-tools/modules and rebooted and just brought up speakup after login manually. Eventually will add it again and retry and check the value. Thanks. -- Cheryl "Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."