Well, you didn't say anything about running make by itself but I'll assume that make modules_install will recompile if there's no objects already available. The only other thing I can suggest is I've noticed on some machines the depmod for the particular kernel version you're running doesn't build the modules.dep correctly. Try running depmod -a which should rebuild all dependancies and then try loading the speakup modules you are using again. -- Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility e-mail: kirk at braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario phone: (519) 661-3061