Ah, this I understand. I was unaware that the live CD would come up talking. That is a valid point and I can see why people would like that. Oralux was supposed to do the same thing, but it didn't work for me. Again, that opens up a bunch of other issues, such as what if there are multiple sound cards? What if Linux doesn't support the driver for your sound card? The advantage to something like grml is that you have more flexibility, even though it requires typing the right thing within the right number of seconds. You can have software speech, hardware speech if you have a hardware synth, or no speech if you would rather use ssh, or a combination of the above. I was working on someone else's machine when for no obvious reason, grml lost software speech. I couldn't do much without speech, but it wasn't a problem. I just set up dhcp, started an ssh server and finished from a different machine. Yes, a new blind user won't know about that, but the point is that you aren't locked into one method of doing things, even though it does mean entering boot parameters. I must say that I really like the way Debian handles this with the installation. It beeps to let you know that it's booted and doesn't timeout right away. It also is smart enough to install Speakup automatically if you use it to do the install. John G. Heim wrote: > The main reason for something like vinux is that a lot of people have > a hard time just getting started with linux. Over on a list for blind > sysadmins, the question comes up just about every time someone > mentions live CDs -- is there one that comes up talking without my > having to just the right key at just the right time. > > People are already struggling with linux, they don't want to have to > struggle to get speech started too.