Hi, Again, I must disagree. Debian does install basic accessibility with a standard install. It doesn't install Orca, although it should. It does install Speakup and I think brltty though. Samuel is working on an accessibility section of the archive which should help, but Orca should be included as part of the standard desktop task. Even so, one does get a bootable system with speech after the install and one can easily install Orca. Again, Ubuntu includes Orca already, but not Speakup. I guess in that regard, a distro that includes both out of the box would be better. I'm not saying that any distro is perfect, and even Debian has work to do to make it more accessible, but the tools are easily available and included as part of Debian, while Orca is part of Ubuntu. I do agree that grml is very difficult to use with X. I got nowhere when I tried, so I gave up. It is a very good command line CD and does include software speech, but it should include a way to install the standard desktop task with Orca as the Debian installer does. Hermann wrote: > The difference to an original Debian or GRML - wich btw. I use - is, > that Vinux, like Ubuntu, comes with Orca and other a11y stuff out of the > box. >
