Well, I can see how you might have debian accessibility issues for other reasons, but as far as using espeakup, as has been mentioned in other posts, it's really quite straightforward. Espeakup came up automatically as soon as I put the line for the soft module into /etc/modules. Orca is also working well for me and it worked "out of the box" without a lot of troubleshooting. The only thing i have to watch with debian unstable is that I don't let an upgrade remove something important, so sometimes I have to delay an upgrade. Other than that, I plan to continue with debian at least for now. But distribution choices are a really individual thing so I certainly can understand your point of view. -- Cheryl "Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."