I was able to solve the problem of installing using the installer that starts with setup in Windows. I found that once I chose exper mode, I was given a choice of graphical or text install, then a choice of desktop environments or none, and finally a place to enter additional cmdline prompts for grub in the installer. Having done this, after rebooting and arrowing down to choose debian and waiting for grub to load, I eventually had brltty start and was able to proceed with the installation. This is a really nice way to do an install on a machine where you have Windows running, especially if your bios isn't set for your cdrom to boot before the hard drive. -- Cheryl "Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."