* Tony Baechler <tony at baechler.net> wrote: > Michael Prokop wrote: >> * Tony Baechler <tony at baechler.net> wrote: >>> The 1.1rc1 that I used has a relatively old version from cvs and I >>> honestly can no longer recommend grml. >> Your "I honestly can no longer recommend grml" is a slap into my face. > My no longer recommending grml has nothing to do with Speakup support. > Actually what attracted me to grml was just that. I really like Debian > but I don't like no official support for Speakup in the kernel or > installer. My reason for not recommending grml is that it installs > literally hundreds of packages that I didn't need and aren't necessary. > The problem was that by the time I got to a login prompt, I was > practically out of memory. I couldn't do much because the computer > would lock up. Once I removed the many unnecessary daemons and got my > system as close to a vanilla Debian system as possible, my problems went > away. Unfortunately that meant removing every trace of grml and all the > custom packages. How much RAM do you have? By default nearly no daemons are running on grml. > While I'm here, I'll try to anticipate your response. You're probably > going to say that you can deselect groups of packages in the grml2hd > installer. that might be true, but said installer doesn't work well > with Speakup at least as of 1.1rc1. I know of another person who had > the same trouble. Both him and I needed sighted help to do the actual > installation. Basically the problem is that the arrows don't tell me > what the cursor is actually on, even when highlight tracking is on in > Speakup. I'll hear, for example, that I'm installing to hda1 when in > fact the cursor is on hda2. I wouldn't have known this without sighted > help. By the time I got to the package selection, I was frustrated and > just wanted to get something working. Why didn't you even report that problem? What do you think why we are releasing release candidate versions? > I have two other small complaints. One is that I don't see why Speakup > can't be included in the small or medium versions. I don't want or need > RAID, USB, LVM, SCSI, etc support. I don't need software running as > daemons which will try to crack other network sites. I don't need > Apache, Postfix, or an ftp server. I would rather install grml-small or > grml-medium and install the other packages that I want from Debian. I > can see why you wouldn't include Speakup in grml-small since the point > is to be as small as possible, but I don't see why you couldn't include > it in grml-medium. Well, why didn't you report your wish to the grml-team? The kernel used on grml-medium provides speakup support already, what's missing are the userspace tools. > With all of that said, I'm sorry that you feel insulted. I didn't know > you are reading this list or I would have elaborated at the time. I > obviously haven't used the final 1.1 release so hopefully some of these > things have been addressed already. I can say that there are some > things about grml that I really like a lot. One is the concentration on > text tools. In fact, I ended up giving up on installing X and Gnome > because it wouldn't work no matter what, especially with the grml-x > script. There are enough console tools included that I haven't really > needed X and I figured I would wait until I have a machine with more > memory. For a live CD, it is very complete and replaces the old rescue > floppies of the past. Again, the big attraction to me is that I could > have speech at boot with Speakup. Until the package and installer > issues are fixed, I can't recommend it though. "Because it doesn't work for me it won't work for anyone out there?" And because *you* encountered a bug in a single version without telling that to the developer you can't recommend a product in general? Just consume and don't give something back? Cool... > One thing that would be helpful is to list the memory requirements > somewhere online or during the installation. I wouldn't have > installed it if I would have realized the memory issues. http://grml.org/faq/#requirements - "at least 64MB of RAM (for stable use with ramdisks for unionfs and udev and running X window system we recommend at least 128MB)" http://grml.org/grml2hd/ - "You should have a partition with at least 2.7 GB free space to use grml 1.1." > Finally, I realize that there is little you can do about it, but > your download server is very slow. Perhaps there are mirroring > services out there which would be better. What server were/are you using for download and where are you from? -mika- -- ,'"`. http://michael-prokop.at/ ( grml.org -? Linux Live-CD for texttool-users and sysadmins `._,' http://grml.org/
