No problem, Daniel. Apology accepted here. As many on this list know well, I've grown hot under the collar myself at times. You want to suspend with Ctrl-z to the shell. The HOWTO guidance on this is still correct. Then, get rid of firstboot as the HOWTO suggests. Making Speakup talk automatically is now different, as you've discovered. Basically, your objective is to edit /boot/grub/grub.conf and put in the correct Speakup string for the correct kernel, but this isn't trivial because you're in a fairly minimal shell at this point, and you're not likely to have good feedback while editing. Command line works reasonably well--but editors are another story at this point. The easiest way is to reboot the F-9 machine. If you can login and start speech by hand at that point, editing will work as it should and subsequent boots will come up talking. You can also login over ssh from another machine, of course. Do a Ctrl-d to go back to the Fedora congrats screen, and press enter to reboot. This is probably the guidance that will make it into the rewritten HOWTO because of the difficulty editing in the suspended installation shell. Your objective in editing /boot/grub/grub.conf is to add the Speakup data something like the following from one of my machines: title Fedora (2.6.25-14.spk.fc9.x86_64) root (hd0,0) kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.25-14.spk.fc9.x86_64 ro root=UUID=800328ee-c064-4bfb-ad96-d4086c8cc44e vga=0xF07 speakup.synth=soft speakup.quiet=1 initrd /boot/initrd-2.6.25-14.spk.fc9.x86_64.img IMPORTANT: The above is really only four lines, though it surely displays as more than that in this message. The four lines are title, root, kernel, and initrd. Were I have speakup.synth=soft you will want speakup.synth=bns if I'm recalling correctly that you're using a Blazie device for speech. You'll want to delete thevga=0xF07 (or replace with a vga= appropriate to your machine); and you'll want to delete the speakup.quiet=1 statement, since you want Speakup to come up talking. IMPORTANT: If you have a xen kernel installed, ignore it. Put the above data on a non-xen kernel. You'll want to adjust the default statement up above to point to the correct kernel, and you'll want to add the ctrl-g chars and comment the hidden and splash statements as shown below and explained also in the HOWTO. default=1 timeout=20 #splashimage=(hd0,0)/boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz #hiddenmenu One last thing. If you're unaccustomed to running with selinux, it may give you some problems. You can edit /etc/sysconfig/selinux and edit the line that says: SELINUX=enforcing to say SELINUX=permissive . If you track the errors that will accumulate in /var/log/message and perform the selinux suggested remedies you'll find there, you can then go back to enforcing. Note that you'll need to reboot to put change this selinux policy. hth Janina Daniel C writes: > Because I would like to get FC9 installed, I have decided to try and work > with it to get speech. Originally I was, going to install FC7 but that > hasn't happened as of yet. > I'm at the last part on the congradulations screen, what do I do next? > I tried calling Bill but I think my phone wasn't working, so will try again. > My apologies to Jenina, Kerk, Greg, and anyone else for what's happeend > today on this list on behalf of me. > There wasn't a need for it. I guess I am too use to Fedora7 that it's hard > for me to get use to FC9. > Thanks for the suggestion of calling Bill, or at least the excert of it, > Jenina. > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.16/1446 - Release Date: 5/16/2008 > 7:42 AM > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.202.595.7777; sip:janina at a11y.org Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://CapitalAccessibility.Com Marketing the Owasys 22C talking screenless cell phone in the U.S. and Canada Learn more at http://ScreenlessPhone.Com Chair, Open Accessibility janina at a11y.org Linux Foundation http://a11y.org