Yesterday turns out to have been a bad time to try to install gnome-orca. The show stopper turned out to be an upgrade to libc6 that couldn't erase the previous version of libc6 and install itself correctly. That of course stopped locales from being upgraded and those two together blocked the rest of the upgrade to unstable from stable. Will try on another day and see if I get lucky then. gnopernicus is what would be installed on debian stable, but not knowing for sure if the installation had been good that gnopernicus would work I tried for unstable and gnome-orca without success. For now the dsl modem is having issues and may or may not be able to be straightened out later this week. So I'm using dial up and dos to send this email. I'll check the debian disk and see if it has any console modem programs later. An interesting find I made and it's on the debian distribution speakup disk though is localepurge. This package allows you to select which locales you want protected and to remain on your system. When next you update your system, and each time you update your system after that all unprotected locales get deleted. Can be helpful for those a little tight on disk space.