Daniel, you are right you aren't the list moderator, Kirk is. His policy is to run a pritty open list. pritty much anything goes within reason. There are plenty of cell phone discussions that have taken place here in the past, so why are you suddenly trying to be the thought police? You ment well, but please leave the moderating to the moderator. Gene Collins >BTW >What does this have to do with speakup or linux? >I'm not the moderator. But do you know this is a linux list? > >-- >Daniel Dalton