I have a weird question for someone out there. Has any of you installed the latest version of ubuntu, code name: hearty? I just downloaded it a few days ago, and, only yesterday, tried to install it after getting some new discs so that I would have one to burn it on. I just want to experiment with it so I thought I would play around with it. Well, everything seemed to work but the installation process. I know that the latest, and possibly, the only documentation I can find is for the installation of ubuntu feisty. well, here's what I did. I got orca working and configured to its laptop keyboard layout, perfect. Now to attempt the install. When I have entered sudo su, and have become the root user, I kill orca with the appropriate command, caps-lock q, which indicates to me that I am going to quit orca. I hit the quit button and orca goes away. Just what I want to have happen, especially if I follow the instructions at: http://live.gnome.org/UbuntuFeisty or whatever that link is. Well, now, to try it. I remember that you are to have a terminal with an instance of orca running in it, but with no setup window and in the background. orca --no-setup --disable main-window& Well, orca comes up, says welcome to orca, and procedes to block the terminal. It will not background. Ok, we have to log out and in again. I have memorized the way to do this without speech since I have had to do it over 25 times yesterday. Ok, back in again. I will try this one the next time. orca -n -d=main-window& I have tried to enter two command lines, both ending with an & sign, but orca will not background. As you have seen. So I will try this: I try the same lin?s again, but, this time, spacing between the last letter of the command and the & sign. Still won't work. The one thing I need to know is how to start a backgrounded instance of orca so that I can run ubiquity, which I can deal with if I can just get speech the way I want it. Thanks. Doug Smith -- I use grml (http://grml.org/)